I actually thought female identified bodies referred to trans and cis women, although I also thought they are talking about abortion access and I don’t think trans women are affected by that because they don’t have uteruses, so it referring to people with uteruses makes more sense but some trans men don’t think of…

wow, projection much?

Idk, because there are feminists who are exclusionary to the point that they look straight up trollish, also well it’s important to try to be inclusionary, I think there is no feminist ever who has not accidentally excluded someone, also, when it comes to feminist discourse, if the counter argument to what Greer is…

so it’s ok for kids,who are capable of caring for themselves to feel entitled for stuff from the parents but it’s not ok for parents to feel entitled for stuff from there kids?

And “a world they didn’t ask to be brought into in the first place’? Jesus fucking Christ. I used to say that shit to my mom when I was 12

she hasn’t threatened to stop paying the tuition though

yeah, I feel the same way, it kind of seems like people are getting mad at her for not being completely selfless which is ridiculous, so while the mom might have been being a little self centered in this letter the people taking that as proof that she’s abusive or narcististic is annoying because no one’s a saint and…

if the mother has a history of doing nice things to manipulate the daughter, the daughter at a minimum probably wouldn’t be calling the mom to request stuff from her and more likely than not she would have decided to wait to go to college to try to gain financial independence

yeah, especially since she’s in freshman it makes sense that the mother would be worried about her and wanting to check in to make sure that she’s handling the transition well

the fact that she doesn’t know her daughter’s schedule is the thing that for me throws a wrench in the whole she’s abusive/helicopter mom thing because if she was abusive or a helicopter parent, it stands to reason that she would have printed out her daughters schedule so she knows when she’s in class and when she’s…

it’s very likely that she’s only calling when she needs something, people like that do exist

you are the only good thing about this thread

people are making assumptions about this piece (and also misrepresenting the facts of the actual piece) based on their own relationships with there mother, that’s projecting

if your in class and your mom calls it’s really easy to just text her that you’re in class

thank you for saying this, everyone latched on to the “I don’t feel like giving her a christmas present this year” and labeled the entire relationship as abusive when you can live without Christmas presents, abuse is serious, not getting a christmas present isn’t serious

a lot of people have been saying that she’s financially abusive but I’m having a hard time getting how this letter is abusive as someone who’s actually been abused

thank you so much for saying this, everyone’s talking about this like the mother has actually gone ahead and not gotten her any presents when all she said is that she doesn’t feel like it after her daughters been treating her which is a huge jump

yeah, I don’t know if it’s just that my social circle comes from way poorer families than everyone else here but I’m the only person I know who’s gotten help paying for college and I was soo greatful to my parent’s, I couldn’t imagine getting annoyed at my mom for calling me

my cousins call their mom on their own every day, I talk to my best friend every day, that might not work for you but different things work for different people and if I was you I wouldn’t judge other people because there relationships look different than yours, it’s possible that she has that kind of relationship…

Look, I’m pretty much the same age as you and I highly disagree.