I'm no expert, but I think a child who grew up seeing nude photos of their mother wouldn't necessarily not have respect for women. On the contrary, as long as everything else was ok in ther home life, I think seeing a woman in those spreads who you had a connection to would humanize porn stars and sex workers to a…

Is it weird that I followed a bunch of links to see the photo? (I didn't find it)

Yea. I wonder what it was shot on. Sidenote: AHHHH CREEPY BIRD

The creative field isn't like accounting. People who pay to see Fiona Apple understand the kind of artist they are dealing with. The same with GG Allin or something. You paid your money, and you get what you get. If you don't understand what kind of artist you are supporting you should spend your money in another way.

Really? That's what you're going to pick at? I don't even have a car and I get around on a bike mostly. But I doubt people door bikers on purpose. Carelessly, perhaps, but you're seriously off topic, dudette.

Ah ok. Maybe that's what I was thinking of.

Lol. Yea, I haven't seen it in like 3 or 4 years, and it was so many more years before that. Did she tell the male dancers or no though?

Did you just watch it?

I can't find a clip online, but I was saying she tells them like its this funny story and they all laugh at her. Not that they later (in the film at least) go to her and mock her to her face or anything. I am also just typing it how I remember, it could've been different or perceived differently by someone else.

Counterpoint: What womans life is a model for women's lives?

Women who've never 'seeked attention' are the ones who should be believed unequivocally.

It's also possibly that both happened. I don't know why it's giving you such a boner to just decide that she's lying.

Stop being a jerk. Its well documented, you got your sources, and wtf why can't a 'fame whore' also be a victim of rape?? And let's be honest, Madonna does not have to lie to kick it. This information coming out October 4th 2013, hasn't given her some sort of edge or leg up. She's Madonna already. Could it be that you…

I really don't understand how anyone can counterpoint this with 'Oakland is hard too'. Nobody moves to oakland to be a star.

That is exactly what I came here to comment on. And Madonnas incident couldn't have been too many years before that. She not only laughed, but she made it a point to tell all the male dancers about the incident to have them laugh AT the assistant as well. Damn, Solidarity isn't even just for white women.. That poor…

First of all, she's a human, not a performbot, and people have off nights. A 2 on your meanness scale I'd give at least a 7 considering it was also EMBARRASSING because it was in a public forum, and again, she threw in a ugly and old for good measure. It's obviously a trigger for her, just looking at the comments…

Too calculated to be a psychopath, more of a sociopath. But yes, somethings off with him.

Or maybe when people say mean things to you they hurt your feelings?

Recently rediscovered that and WTFed all over everything.

I want to ask, but not sound like a total ass (because that lady should've stfu and let fiona play so everyone could just have a good time) if she was in fact talking about her weight or if theres the possibility that she was referring to some sort of perceived mental thing (equally assy)?