wWII scandals are what made Truman. He ran the committee that chased them down. He even went after the Manhattan project but didn't know what it was and was told to stand down on it.

Whoa Kelly Johnson never would have gotten them into the mess. First he had a long standing hatred for the Navy and only would do work for them if forced too. Second he would have told the brilliant mind who wanted to share an airframe amongst services what he thought if them and it.

Lol you are funny

Unfortunate it beats anything from General Dynamics Land syste,POS. Those puds should be shot. They acquire great companies with great histories of performance and GD them. So know we send GD billion for things like the Crusader and getting zero actual hardware fielded.

That’s when we had common sense and people who actually understood the needs of the warfighter. Hell the f16 and f15 took less than 4 years from initial proposal to industry to Ioc.

A trillion dollar wifi hub I the sky lol.

Call him and tell him to stop spending on bs programs and robbing the general fund and use it Whats it’s meant to used for. We have billions in local, state, and federal dollars and in my town they used the excise tax dollars instead of paving roads to build a half million dollar playground and a 6 million to pave a…

Do you actually believe your own bullshit.

So they can play beer pong and smoke pot. How about we send them to Parris Island then they can earn collage and attend when they have seen a bit of life and are more disinclined to actually learn something.

At the time it was canceled it was operational with deployed air wings and already had multiple blocks procured with each new block costing less. We had gotten over the teething problems. The issue was that the f35 was having issues and need more dollars to push through the development problem. In 2009 when canceled…

Yes we could have. Should have let each service develop their own plane based on their required mission. We could have required they use one of 2 or 3 engines, share radar, share data link and some flight systems. Other than that let them handle their needs. That way if one program had a problem because of over…

But every plane doesn’t need to be a 35 because not every mission needs it. Even against peers if we don’t knock out their AD then doesn’t matter what we fly we are completing mission with either the 35 or 15s.

Of course it will be our pilots are the best at exploring th shit we give them. The problem is what could and should have been for them. And f22 pilots will still be kicking their asses in a2a engagements let’s hope they don’t get made at the 35 bus drivers for going to slow in the left lane with their blinkers on as…

Agree with every word expect we are stuck with the 35 and need to make the most of it. Given the state of our tonight to fail limited aerospace behemoths any new plane development will fall down the same development rabbit hole. This isn’t like when we had a dozen or even five companies competing and push each other.…

I for one see it as we already paid and had the platform to build off instead of starting from scratch for an inferior model. That the F22 was canceled to pay for the F35 which was expected to available in 2012 so we wouldn’t have a fighter gap. Not to mention given the overlap I production blocks those who preach at…

But don't discount it and the improvement made in both the system c2 and tactics. This isn't Iraq AD any longer we are talking true peer to peer. To think neither the Chinese nor the Russians haven't spent since 1990 working the problem for less cost thus more of it you are nuts. Why to you think we have MEF train to…

So you are saying we need the F18 to go in and clear the way for the 35 then.

Does it really matter the cockpit and seat angles isn't like legacy systems pilots can turn around and see behind them in the f35 like in the f16 or f15. So there now quick swivel look back. They litteraly need to relearn how to look behind them in the 35.

Not everybody. The f22 was only an air force plane so had pressures from lots of other because they wanted similar for the navy and need to replace the harrier for the marines. So we get one tool in the tool box across all services. That’s what makes this the largest procurement mess in history. It impacts everyone…

Someone is believing the cool aid. Agree future block cost will be down but the 90 million block still requires upgrade because it won’t be complete due to the SW issues. Add another few million to the price.