Do you actually believe your own bullshit.

So they can play beer pong and smoke pot. How about we send them to Parris Island then they can earn collage and attend when they have seen a bit of life and are more disinclined to actually learn something.

At the time it was canceled it was operational with deployed air wings and already had multiple blocks procured with each new block costing less. We had gotten over the teething problems. The issue was that the f35 was having issues and need more dollars to push through the development problem. In 2009 when canceled…

Yes we could have. Should have let each service develop their own plane based on their required mission. We could have required they use one of 2 or 3 engines, share radar, share data link and some flight systems. Other than that let them handle their needs. That way if one program had a problem because of over…

But every plane doesn’t need to be a 35 because not every mission needs it. Even against peers if we don’t knock out their AD then doesn’t matter what we fly we are completing mission with either the 35 or 15s.

Of course it will be our pilots are the best at exploring th shit we give them. The problem is what could and should have been for them. And f22 pilots will still be kicking their asses in a2a engagements let’s hope they don’t get made at the 35 bus drivers for going to slow in the left lane with their blinkers on as…

Agree with every word expect we are stuck with the 35 and need to make the most of it. Given the state of our tonight to fail limited aerospace behemoths any new plane development will fall down the same development rabbit hole. This isn’t like when we had a dozen or even five companies competing and push each other.…

I for one see it as we already paid and had the platform to build off instead of starting from scratch for an inferior model. That the F22 was canceled to pay for the F35 which was expected to available in 2012 so we wouldn’t have a fighter gap. Not to mention given the overlap I production blocks those who preach at…

But don't discount it and the improvement made in both the system c2 and tactics. This isn't Iraq AD any longer we are talking true peer to peer. To think neither the Chinese nor the Russians haven't spent since 1990 working the problem for less cost thus more of it you are nuts. Why to you think we have MEF train to…

So you are saying we need the F18 to go in and clear the way for the 35 then.

Does it really matter the cockpit and seat angles isn't like legacy systems pilots can turn around and see behind them in the f35 like in the f16 or f15. So there now quick swivel look back. They litteraly need to relearn how to look behind them in the 35.

Not everybody. The f22 was only an air force plane so had pressures from lots of other because they wanted similar for the navy and need to replace the harrier for the marines. So we get one tool in the tool box across all services. That’s what makes this the largest procurement mess in history. It impacts everyone…

Someone is believing the cool aid. Agree future block cost will be down but the 90 million block still requires upgrade because it won’t be complete due to the SW issues. Add another few million to the price.

Your understanding of radar and radar systems needs an update. We have shown that and both us and the Russians have developed tech to provide guidance updates to missiles in the low bands. You fail to recognize how not just us but others can fuse data from multiple band and multiple waveforms to indenting threat. Once…

Agreed it’s not like the f1117 a secret program actually development built and deployed quickly. It’s not like everyone knows everything about it and that’s it’s taken so long they have not had years to plan and change procurement needs and deploy better systems but actual decades.

Amen

The f18 have been around that long because the development of their replacement is years behind schedule and we have incurred cost to extend their lives through the depots and have need to purchase newer legacy planes to fill the plane gap.

If that’s the case why did we cancel the F22?

Enough of all you skynet fans. There will always be things that Man can do that sensors and drones can't. No matter how many million line of code we write.

Real high threshold there. One thing with an unmanned light airframes low speed drone another thing with a manned fully armed FA that cost 188 million per not to mention the cost of the pilot and ordnance or for the matter the failed mission.