There is no evidence in this story that the models are not being paid, however there is evidence that they are being paid; there are contracts involved (that would require an exchange of value to make legally binding) - and the author ends with, "At least one of us got paid in money, experience and fun."

There is no evidence that the models are not being paid, however there is evidence that they are being paid; there are contracts involved (that would require an exchange of value to make legally binding) - and the author ends with, "At least one of us got paid in money, experience and fun."

There is no evidence in this shittily-written story that the models are not being paid, however there is evidence that they are being paid; there are contracts involved (that would require an exchange of value to make legally binding) - and the author ends with, "At least one of us got paid in money, experience and…

..your point being..?

"this is an excuse for James Deen's production company to cut costs by not paying female performers and getting the fans to eat his production costs." - citation needed

Correct. I was using a more common word because this lindaaaargh person seems pretty simple-brained. Though it does need to be tangible value (at least in my experience with these types of contracts over the past 25+ years), so I don't know that a fucking would qualify as proper consideration to validate a contract…

"James Deen is getting paid; these women are not." - citation needed.

"...without paying them a dime" - citation needed.

Actors don't acquire ownership in a film just because they acted in it. Ownership in the copyright of any work of intellectual property by default remains with the creator, except in cases of Work For Hire or with a contract stating otherwise. Why do you assume the author did not get paid? Her last line was, "At least…

Where does it say that they get no compensation? As a matter of law, for any model release / contract (as mentioned in this story) to be legally binding it has to involve an exchange of value (payment).

"When they go to a hotel room and sign a contract... are they signing away their rights to the film and giving James Deen & Co. full permission to market it and profit from it?" That is the whole point of making commercial films; to market and profit from them. Actors do not get ownership in (or "rights to") a film…

No, I get it fully; I am presenting you with facts, and you are putting forth nothing but unfounded assumptions. I am not looking at this in any way that has to do with sex - you are the one who keeps calling these fanladies that sign up to fuck him on camera "sex workers" - I am looking at this as an issue of…

No, I get it fully; I am presenting you with facts, and you are putting forth nothing but unfounded assumptions. I am not looking at this in any way that has to do with sex - you are the one who keeps calling these fanladies that sign up to fuck him on camera "sex workers" - I am looking at this as an issue of…

..and to be legally binding, the contracts they sign would have to involve an exchange of value (payment). Therefore, by signing them, these women are acknowledging the receipt of proper compensation for their "work".

"businesses (in this case, James Deen productions) shouldn't be excused for shady business practices just because you've decided to place the onus on the person signing the contract.." - you are a complete fucking idiot. That is exactly how contracts work - you are responsible / accountable / liable / hold the blame…

"You're trying very hard to paint me as a puritan who has a problem with pornography and sex work..." - not at all. There is no bad business here; all of the conditions are stated up front and agreed to. This is no different than any other acting or modeling gig in that regard - so the only reason left for you to keep…

..and I also have to ask; what does your rant here have to do with what I wrote in my reply (that contracts require exchange of value to be legally binding)..? And what are you claiming James Deen should be held accountable for?!?!??

You are trying to find shady dealings where there are none. He asked about what she was into sexually because, well, she submitted a message to him saying she wants to have sex on camera with him.

"why was the author not shown the contract that contained legalese about her rights, the use of her image, etc., before she had already booked the room and traveled to make porn with James Deen (and was already in the room with him)?" - because that's how it works with model contracts / releases; signing happens on…

Yeah, the whole thing felt really depressing to me, too. The tone of it just sounds like it's written by someone who is depressed and desperate for attention, so goes out and does something that ends up making them feel like shit - and then they try to play it off like it was no big deal, or something. It is also…