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Elon wants not to be (successfully) sued into oblivion for having competed against Tesla Shareholders, to whom he's supposed to have a fiduciary duty.  That's all.  Oh, and the self enrichment thing too.  He likes that as well.

CLE 450 with 375HP for $70k seems wiser.  Or the CLE 53 for $76k.  Either way, the 2.0 in the base car is poop.

Lease, and if you choose to, buy out in second week.  Most automakers pass through the rebate on leases.  I've gotten it twice through Kia and Mercedes...

Right now, Kia/Hyundai are set to eat into the 'anything but Tesla and affordable' market with clever lease pricing and very good products.  Uphill for Chevy to compete with Ioniq5 for example...

They also accelerate faster and stop MUCH slower due to increased weight and (Prius - looking at you) crappy but 'efficient' tires.

Lexus SC300/400 from the early to mid 90s. 30 year old design still looks great

10-15% more range, that "crossover" seating position and easier to park?  But yeah, I'd go for the objectively better vehicle too with the 6.  Both are screaming deals financially.

The reason they’re able to do this is because they’re decent at math and now have another incentive that the dealer can use once these cars come back in at 24 months. That is, non coincidentally, the earliest one can get the $4000 used EV incentive. With a lease by the “mother ship” and the used car incentive through

You’d actually want to turn it in and then let the dealership give it a nice wash before selling it to you with the $4000 used EV rebate.  That's why the lease term is 2 years... That's the cutoff for when it becomes eligible for the second subsidy.  It's great math at work ($7500 from feds in lease + $5800 customer

This is a sign that folks at Hyundai/Kia are very good at math. There’s a 7500 federal subsidy they get to use in a lease AND capping the lease term at 24 months allows them to bring the cars back in at the limit for grabbing another $4000 subsidy at the dealer level for used EV sales. This is essentially a very

Odd... Man inheriting vast wealth from dead wife doesn't assign blame in her tragic death...  🙄

Just do a lease to take the $7500 discount on what effectively becomes a 6 year financing play with an option to buy at any time, including at year 3.  Several vehicles become cost equivalent to your target including the Ioniq 5 which just got a big lease promotion...

The Kia EV9 looks better, is (way) cheaper (using the lease loophole) and has a 270-300 mile range, quick charging, VTL... Simply a better pick for most use cases.

LOL.  EV inventories are that high if you completely ignore 70% of the market that moves direct to buyers. (Tesla, Rivian...)  Misinformation much?

Why be irritated when the reaction you care about is the one being (accurately) described?  Your approach would lead to us saying that the buildings, infrastructure, and gasoline used by workers commuting to the ignition facility also represent added energy inputs, right?

...and when you look at the lease option on the electric model, there's no contest.  The electric can be almost 20% cheaper.

Gotta wonder what kind of terms are in those cyber insurance policies... Ultimately, if your own employees are insufficiently trained, I'm guessing the policy writers would jack your future rates up quite markedly...

Get the bigger battery pack in lowest trim for around $60k.  Take the $7500 cap cost reduction on a lease and laugh your a** off at the only two viable competitors (cheapest Tesla X and Rivian R1S).  I'm test driving one during its "tour" in a couple weeks.

It’ll have to be insured by Tesla.  Repairs will be... nightmarish.  I'm betting the first fix will be to offer camo wraps that "hide" gaps and how ugly stainless looks in the real world for some silly cheap price to ensure all of them are wrapped.

Elon bought into Tesla at an opportune time. He cut a GREAT deal on what his equity investment and (self appointed) leadership role bought in terms of options/shares, but honestly, his role in building Tesla is overstated. SpaceX is a different story. Twitter, another story altogether too.