Finally looks good. Great I should say. The 2nd generation was decent looking but awkward primarily due to wheel size. This one is clean, modern, no gimmicks, well proportioned. And it finally has decent straight line performance numbers we. Would finally consider one by the 2nd model year run.

I see plenty of Ford F150's at “A WHOLE FOODS PARKING LOT AND ALL APPLICABLE SCHOOL DROP OFF LINES NEAR YOU!!!”

Head down to VW dealer, where you can get a $40K+ Golf or a $52K Arteon. Or how about a $100K plus Jeep Wagoneer!! Who would spend $100K+ on a Jeep and get abysmal quality and a generally abysmal dealer/service network?

Damn! Generally hate the Corolla, but this is a great value, if you can get at or near MSRP.   Might have to look into this for a commuter car & young teenagers car. 

Seriously?  Hybrids generally give better city MPG numbers due to stop and go driving, regenerative braking, and minimized use of ICE gas engine.  

Should definately ask for a discount. I was recently willing and about to pay full price for something recently, got cold feet, and got 5%ish about $3k off. 

Can also get (new or used):

I was driving down the Garden State Parkway saturday morning and ran into a convoy of these cars heading to Wildwood.  Some of them were driving like a-holes on the way down.   Not surprised it ended the way it did for a few people.  

These people actually do think “it works”.   I know of several that either use the term “private” or “sovereign”.  One even goes as far to show me papers that say’s he’s “private” and not owned by the “US gov’t” and believes all sorts of non-sense, like having a SS card means the government owns you & are their slave,…

Your average hard right conservative rails against Islamic fundamentalism and women’s general lack of rights in Islamic countries.  But far right nuts are basically want subservient women.  Go figure.

LOL!    Ford has been “vow”ing to clean up quality for decades, it never happens.  I fell for the “quality is job #1” spiel in 1996 and bought a Ford Probe GT. Loved the car even though the quality was abysmal. I remember I went in for a warranty repair once and the mechanic even told me if I wanted quality should…

I was thinking the same thing. I see a pretty good amount of Accord Crosstours around in varying colors. So I know they aren’t the same ones.

I’m seriously considering getting a 2022 Arteon. I test drove a 2019 Arteon and enjoyed it. It had adequate power, had a good middle ground between ride and handling, very roomy back seat, and cargo area, and good feature content.

But…..it’s just soo good looking.

But the Arteon is soo f-in good looking.

Most definitely.  You wonder why there’s such a labor shortage? A whole lot of people are just shooting up meth all day. Since Early 2020, what I call the “crackheads” problem has spiraled out of control. 

Yes it is. Hell, it seems like using meth is a job too these days.

I’ve been thinking off and on about replacing my ‘08 Acura TL. I finally came to a conclusion unless it has a major problem like engine failure I’m keeping it for a few more years. Even though I’m the last 2 years I’ve spent about $5-6k on repairs like steering rack, shocks, mounts, etc. it’s still way cheaper than…

Uhhh….the United States is not part of OPEC.

H2 sales also fell off a cliff because it’s was a POS, was not actually a Hummer, a gas guzzler, and buyers saw right through its phony facade.