Okay. Thanks for your answer. I think where we differ most is in our views of the current state of America. Appreciate the insight even where I disagree

Well, it seems to me that we don’t need to actually win any GOP voters, given the massive numbers of people who just didn’t vote, had their vote suppressed, or left the preisdential section of the ballot blank. That’s my issue. Play to those people, not to the who are gonna have to hold their nose to vote for you, if…

Thanks. That’s a solid, cogent argument. I don’t agree with all of it, but at the very least I feel like I’ve gotten a quick but relatively comprehensive idea of why that wing thinks it should stay in power.

He voted with Trump 91% of the time. So here’s an example. Maybe vote with him 90% of the time? That would literally be more resistance than he put up. Honestly how can people be this stupid?

Okay, fair enough. I guess I’m just not entirely convinced of that. I think people voted for Hillary Clinton for a lot of reasons. I’m not convinced that it’s because many of them are deeply enamored with neoliberal economic policy. Just like some Bernie voters quit Hillary or didn’t vote in the general election, if a…

I’m asking what the centrist wing of the party has to offer that justifies its leadership at this point as opposed to the more Bernie-ish wing. And again, I’m asking a serious question, not trying to start a fight or anything, so I’m not gonna respond to whatever your answer is, even if I like it, I just want to hear…

Okay, but why? Justify yourself. It’s gonna have to happen at some point or the schism is going to get worse, so why do we need people who self-identify the way you do? This probably sounds antagonistic but I’m trying to ask a serious question that a lot of people want an answer to right now. You seem very confident…

Yeah that was my first though too. It is all of us, every single, solitary one if we’re really honest with ourselves. Maybe you don’t know because nobody told you, maybe you didn’t stop something from happening, maybe you just included a #notallmen hashtag in a post, but it’s you too. Every single one of us. Sorry.

The hell you can’t. This isn’t just a case of “I’m a liberal he’s a conservative” like some Darma and Greg shit. He’s an honest to god facist.

Of course you’re right, but Bernie was the only person I saw actually talking about any kind of universal coverage, along with a lot of other issues I thought were important. But once he got his people on the platform committee and Hillary began to adapt his ideas I was more willing to go with her so, like I said, I…

Because we’re not talking about Trump voters. Again, I think they’re irredemable. But there are people (for instance in Wisconsin where Bernie won the primary) who would have voted for a democrat with a more aspirational message.

You’re not wrong, but can you see why people who tend to skew republican to begin with (in the absence of strong labor unions) are going to go through years like this under a democratic president and come out the other side going, “What have you done for me lately?”

It is a privilege you’re absolutely right. But you talk as if no one but white people experiences voter apathy. That’s simply not true.

What world do you live in where people are going to take advantage of information just because it’s there to be had? You do your homework. I do my homework. But what in god’s name would make you think everyone else is going to? What is the point of a campaign even if you’re just going to point to your candidate’s…

It does when its a system of voluntary voting that requires you to earn votes. And especially in a system where a popular vote win is not necessarily going to get you the presidency. I’ve said this elsewhere, but I don’t understand how people can read articles like this and look at the shenanigans going on at the DNC…

Where’s the lie? I mean, I’m with you (and them) if you mean that they shouldn’t really be taken as serious political actors, but she said a thing and it was right, so...?

Amber from Chapo Trap House said it best when they talked about this. “I don’t want THEM to win, but it’s not like YOU deserve to win.”

To say nothing of the willingness to give up your body to make the play. I mean, I did some pretty dangerous things when I was playing keeper in soccer to make sure the ball didn’t get into the net, but there was grass underneath me, so at least I could figure on some give to the surface when I hit it.

Do you honestly think that anything they’re doing now is going to attract any of the people who sat out this last election? The people who, if they would just reach out to them, they wouldn’t need to worry about winning over a single republican voter? Did you know that if “didn’t vote” was a candidate it would have…

Maybe, maybe not. It’s not THAT long that they’ve been together and maybe he really has made changes in her life. In high school I wouldn’t have thought twice about calling something gay. Maybe somewhere down deep I’m still that person but you won’t hear me talking that way any longer. Even if that’s the case for him…