Pretty perfect indeed until the ending. I’d like to see a movie with the ending of the stage show, but it’ll be really hard to top that staging and cast. Except Steve Martin, who I normally love, but who let his own schtick overpower the material rather than serve it.

All good points. I didn’t mean to put all these injustices in a contest- though scanning up, my language clearly did.

I guess.

No, you didn’t just express an opinion, you responded to someone else’s public comment to slam them. And this isn’t your house.

Those are three awesome ideas I’d love to see on TV, and you’re right that they’ll probably get passed over - along with black creators who might make them sing - because of the racism entrenched in Hollywood’s production line. I’d be much more interested in watching those shows, and those fresh creators. But none of…

That is the first decent articulation of a legitimate concern that I’ve read. I don’t think it’s enough to damn the show pre-emptively, but it is reasonable based on the evidence of prior performance, and it acknowledges that it’s based on fear of a potential - not a real thing that’s actually happened.

Being black grants a specific and very valuable perspective that the majority culture needs to pay much better attention to, but it’s not a pass on evidence or reason.

People of color have never had it better on this country.

Do you know what “exploitive” means?

For my part, I’m ignoring your accusation that I’m arguing in bad faith. So that we can continue to share our perspectives because I think that’s the only real hope. Shit-talking and dismissiveness very rarely result in greater understanding or empathy, which I trust from your statements you value.

So you want to laugh at people for thinking that a show that exploits the painful past and harsh present day reality of black people is a bad idea.

Throwing in the reference to “Architects” may not have been an admission of guilt so much as an acknowledgement that the idea wasn’t new, in either our world or the alternative history of Watchmen.

You see a contribution where others don’t -fair enough.

we can look back on all this premature stressing and outrage and laugh at how ridiculous people were being.

But it’s still worrisome that HBO, an organization that is not new to rolling out new flagship programming...

Yeah, examples of past crappiness don’t make current crappiness less crappy. And as already been pointed out, this instance doesn’t even advance the protagonist or plot.

I take your point that one of the worst trends in comic history was comprised of the descendants of Watchmen (and DKR and other Frank Miller works). That was waaaaay too much “feet of clay” “everyone’s tortured” ‘everything’s broken” dystopia, but Watchmen wasn’t too much in itself. The story was complex, with a lot…

The Outer Limits thing seems to me like the definition of a non-issue. Watchmen is absolutely full of pastiche, it’s made of pastiche, and that’s part of the point.

Speaking for myself, Watchmen is a nearly perfect synthesis of form and content. It’s comprehensive up until it’s time in deploying and expanding every formal aspect of the medium of superhero comic books to tell a story that’s deeply about comic books on every level.

GoT is a very different work. It uses different tools to tell a different kind of story with different point s to make. One of those points has consistently been to emphasize that death isn’t just or necessarily meaningful, but capricious and matter-of-fact. That’s not the worldview that Marvel 616 has ever…