Did you just use lame to mean “sad and depressing”?  Just asking for a physically-challenged friend.

My mum had a Viva, she still complains about it over 40 years later.

Really....was it that depressing for women in the workplace? I know a lot of Salad Men and Attractive Boy Assistants from back then who could not even get their foot in the door

Quality is ALWAYS a management problem. Management puts the constraints on the design process, management agrees to the short cuts in the development process, management decides the materials used, and management decides how the factory floor is run.

They must’ve felt a nuclear detonation would’ve been a bit too on the nose..

Wow you people lack reading comprehension skills...GASOLINE doesn’t spontaneously combust on its own. I said nothing of the entire car.

This is such a bullshit argument. Yes gas cars catch fires but there are sooooooooo many more of them on the road and sitting in driveways. Show me where the percentages are of the amount of gas cars vs fires and amount of electric cars vs fires are and then we are talking. Thing is you cant do that because no…

The same electrical systems exist in a gas car. There’s a 12V battery in it also.

The retracting handle staying retracted is one more thing to overcome to get someone out of a car. Did it make a difference in this case? I do not know. But adds in another step.

Hey, at least the guy in the second link was able to put it out with a garden hose. In the case above it sounds like even the fire department couldn’t get the battery fire out.  Not an insignificant difference.

Dude, if the solution to not dying in a car crash is simply not crashing then we could have done away with all of the safety tech made in the last few decades and still have ‘60s-’70s style.

Gasoline doesn’t spontaneously combust for the fun of it like charging lithium batteries do. Gas needs an external source of ignition, batteries can self ignite.

Reminds me of using a Tesla for the first/last time in Forza. Without the engine and gear change sounds, I had a hard time guaging how fast I was going and kept overshooting turns by a mile. It was like a 2 ton 150mph golf cart.

I wouldn’t even consider the current Outback a wagon.  It’s bigger than most CUV/SUVs in its segment, doesn’t really drive like a car, Subaru doesn’t advertise it as a wagon anymore and the general car buying public(ie not enthusiasts) call them CUV/SUVs.  The Outback stopped really being a wagon when the Legacy sedan…

Coming from a former Subaru enthusiast , I'd literally want any other wagon than an outback. Now when they had turbo engines and manuals and we're actual wagons is another story. Subarus are AWD Toyotas without the reliability.

Exactly. 2010 Outbacks got something like 8 inches taller but no additional ground clearance.  2009 was the last year of the Outback wagon.  2010 was the first year of the Outback SUV.

I would hardly call an AMG S Wagon wrong compared to the Subies.

There’s no clear cut definition for a crossover. It’s a range or crossover between sedan and SUV. The Outback is a lifted wagon with a taller than usual cabin. It’s a crossover that is closer to a wagon on the range.

It’s a wagon on stilts with a glut of plastic cladding. AKA a crossover.

It’s clearly been a CUV since the fourth gen.