Your absurd fanboi-ism is tiring.

The Model X never has been available at the initial price they promised. But as it was launched, they stopped pushing the idea that it ever would be. The Model 3 has zero proof they will ever offer it at their target price. Might they some day? Maybe in 20 years? Would you have…

What evidence do you have that they WILL? There is none.

But would Jeep still be bragging about how they were going to price it at the price of a base Wrangler?

Hell, at this point, there’s no reason to believe that the $35k price point would be hit anytime during the first generation of model 3. Or ever.

Ford didn’t advertise the Model T at $300 in 1908 when it was…

They’ve been heavily pushing the $35k price point for years. They’ve passed the point at which they said that it would be available. And there’s still no reason to believe it is coming. No other maker goes around bragging about a low starting point without having something at that price point available.

If Porsche advertises that a model starts at $x, you can buy it for $x. It may be that most buyers are willing to spend 2*$x, but you can still get it for $x. That’s not he same here, where they’re only willing to sell at well above the advertised starting price.

You’re making the assumption that they will ever sell one for $35k. There is no evidence to support this.

Nobody is claiming that they did say that you’d be able to get all the bells and whistles for $35k.

Nobody.

We ARE pointing out that they claimed you could buy one for $35k. And that simply isn’t possible. You can’t get one for anywhere close to that price. It simply isn’t an option. It’s like if I was running a horse…

Not the same at all. You can buy that BMW 3-series for 33,400 euros. You can’t buy a Tesla Model 3 for anywhere near the $35k mark.

That’s not really comparable at all. You’re talking about a vehicle advertised at ~$30k where you could easily find one for ~$32k.... and the $30k version was available, just not widely stocked.

This is a case where they advertise $35k and the closest they seem to be selling to that mark is about $50k. People who want…

Sure... but what other manufacturer tells everyone that the car will cost one thing (what people can afford) and then basically never sell anything close to that price, but rather aiming for close to double it?

It would be like Ford bragging that the new Fusion costs $20,000 but then never selling one for less than…

They do have a history of getting into the futures market. I know years ago Ford had options on magnesium that would have allowed them to make magnesium alloy parts for prices comparable to aluminum parts.

The problem then was that the market wasn’t supporting substituting aluminum for steel, so while they could have…

1st:

So Musk basically is finally admitting something the rest of us already know - the $35,000 price for the Model 3 was a mountain of BS.

Actually, even in fires it was lower than nearly every competing vehicle. It was only higher in fires from rear impacts. But any other sort of impact it was actually so much lower that overall, it had lower fire risk.

And while you’re on your rant, here’s a tidbit for you - nearly all the white collar jobs in the auto…

I believe you’re confused.

The Ford Transit didn’t go on sale in North America until the summer of 2014, and Ford started producing them in Kansas City in April 2014. Every link I’ve seen shows the Transit for NA having always been exclusively built in KC. The Transit Connect was imported from Turkey for years, though…

So screw the good paying jobs, only focus on blue collar? Lovely attitude.

And the whole Pinto thing? Talk about a weak argument. Not only is it ancient history, but Ford was using the analysis method provided by the government (you can ALWAYS make vehicles safer, and you have to draw the line somewhere or you’ll price…

So in your opinion, only blue collar jobs count? A Toyota built in Kentucky that supports a blue collar worker for one week but no white collar workers counts, but a Ford built in Canada, supporting a white collar worker for one week but no blue collar workers, but the importation of which is offset by an export to…

The only difference?

You do realize that Ford employs nearly 2.5 times as many Americans as does Toyota, despite only selling 5% more vehicles, right? That isn’t a matter of just where the car is assembled - its a matter of tens of thousands of engineering and R&D jobs - Ford does a ton of work in those areas in the…

Meh, the number of factories doesn’t really matter - because they can range in size. And Toyota has 6 factories in the US, not 4 - and that’s not counting 4 smaller wholly-owned subsidiary plants they have, so you could argue the number is really 10.

What makes the difference is that Ford has nearly 2.5 times as many…

That ranking was a horrifically biased setup from the very beginning. Cars.com set an arbitrary limit for a minimum % domestic content that a vehicle had to have to be considered - then it simply reranked the list primarily on sales figures.

Consider this : the first year that they declared the Toyota Camry the “most…

EASY.

Fords made in the US and sales this year through April:
F-series : 287,295
Escape : 88,733
Explorer : 72,025
Transit : 42,366
Focus : 48,047
Mustang : 26,289
E-series : 17,874
Expedition : 17,426
Police Interceptor Utility : 11,644
Taurus : 9,861
MKC : 6,755
Navigator : 5,628
Heavy Trucks : 3,582
C-Max : 3,573
Continental :3,272
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