Neutral: the big basic minivan will be a Kia or some other brand. FCA is taking a big risk trying to compete head to head price wise with Honda and Toyota. Killing Plymouth was a big mistake - a cut rate brand would be the ideal place for the cavarvan.

I went to a Canadian university - a sister university as it were to Cornell. Also got my securities license. So spare us the sanctimony.

Beautiful rhetoric there. I’m sure sucj vulgarity really works convincing people.

Nice tolerant language there - I’m accustomed to such attitudes from the left.

Left wing alarmist garbage.

Clearly you have little interest in debate.

First Gear:

Tell that to property owners in Detroit in the 70s.

No im saying that in an unsubsidized, nonpreferential regulatory world (which is on the horizon) they will go bankrupt.

Musk says gross margin is 15% that means they are losing buckets at EBITDA.

Typically the fourth quarter is reported in depth by the end of the following quarter. Regardless are you disputing the numbers in the link I provided iow that cafe payments this year are far less than in 2015?

Ah you are assuming it has that capability.

Best week for me since 11/9/1989

I try this all time and add in the requirement they all be from the same year:

You would be Sick to death of them in two or three years...

They won’t itemize cafe. The article I linked to does.

Evs are the most significant part of their business. Power packs don’t make any money. And their solar acquisition is a dog with fleas. Cars are 90% of the business. So cafe makes up 5% of gross (at least) add in direct ev subsidies and even though tesla lost 10% of GR they would have lost close to 20% Of GR. that is…

It is the Securities and Exchanges Commission. Yes I have heard of it. What purpose are you citing it for now? It certainly won’t have 2016 data up yet - usually not until 60-90 days after the Y-E.

You find the totals for cafe in 2016 - they aren’t published yet - 2016 isn’t over yet. 2015 IS the most recent complete year.

Tesla x wasn’t on sale much of 2015 - 214 to be exact. Power wall and powerpack is irrelevant to ev sales.