@nullkaiser:I would consider myself a low level programmer and these tools are insanely easy to use the documentation is outstanding pre built classes I have found the hardest thing is making the Art required and I have friends that can do that for me I think a total newbie could make a half way decent app in less…

I see you have played knify spoony before

I wonder if they will make a controller for this like the street fighter thing but with a roller ball thing like from centipede

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