They - AND Jane the Virgin - all suffer from STS: Subversive Title Syndrome. (Ugly Betty luckily lasted awhile).

So I enjoyed a lot about this ep but, as I posted in a few comments, anybody feel like the comment to the homeless woman was out of place? I'm not saying Rebecca isn't horrible, but all of her cruddy actions have come from interesting, nuanced places. This was just sort of baseless.

In general, she doesn't - it's just the "I'm going to withdraw mass sums of money!" moment that did, which is what seemed slightly off.

Yeah, I agree that it seemed like mania - her meanness to the homeless woman seemed out of character. Not because it was horrible, but because it was horrible in a way that didn't gel with her other issues.

Oh man, her squatting outside in the pilot + self-sabotage + needing outside validation to an extreme was realer than most things I see on TV. I could've done wtihout the homeless lady, but people do throw tons of money on schemes who have real issues.

Well, it was his ex-wife who said that he was too sensitive, and she's not exactly a reliable source…it actually seemed more at a dig at people perpetuating toxic masculinity.

I dug Paula, even though she's an enable. (Like I dig Rebecca.) It was nice to see her in a position of power. And I didn't see too much enabling, she was only encouraging when Rebecca ACTUALLY did something right.

I do really want her to find a therapist by the end of the season though…

Ditto nearly exactly. I think this episode you could really tell how it was pitched as a half-hour show which might have trimmed a lot of the fat you are referring to. Also, did we really need her to be mean to the homeless woman? I feel like all of her not-goodness stems from issues when that was just stupidly mean.

That's fair, I guess I'm just hesitant of an armchair diagnosis - I also think of the Sunny folks as not really real.

I think her history and her anxiety/depression make her a lot more compassionate than Dee.

I think an earlier comment may not have been clear. I think we can laugh at the MOST serious things, because we have to. I've laughed at my anxiety because it's absurd. So I think there's laughter about mental illness, but that doesn't mean it's the punchline/butt, if that makes sense. The lyrics in "4 Joshes" were…

So ultimately, I don't think it IS the butt of a joke.

It's hard to say, but self-recognition can be cathartic.

I think we're supposed to think he is, but I;m not sure if he is. Does that make sense?

Definitely not popular cool — aloof cool sounds right. Just looking like you don't give a crap, with a literal cool look.

Who was Gary? He looked SO familiar.

But didn't he articulate it the same way? Obviously he didn't actually sing to her, but she did say, "Your whole settle for me thing is SAD."

WATCH BONES.

That's legitimate, but I think it's good writing just of a flawed character. And part of it IS her brain chemistry and sociological influences. And "…the rest of us" — I feel like it's only recently that women are allowed to be broken but not in a pathetic way in film and on tv. She's strong but not, she's confident…