Thank you, random internet friend, for so aptly describing the catastrophe recent writers have turned the relationship that is Joker and Harley into. It was always meat to be catastrophic, not a perpetual catastrophe.

I wanted to disagree with you, but...

The current teams writing Joker and Harley have been pretty bad, and missing the point for years: their “relationship,” such as it is, is never over. That’s where the comedy and tragedy of it ring truest. And I don’t know who that is up there, but that isn’t the Joker. He’s some half-baked caricature of an abusive…

Yeah, I was confused by this as well. I do see him as abusive because there’s no doubt he manipulated and broke her down, but there are more types of abuse that flat out choking rape. It would’ve been more interesting to see him worming his way under her skin from afar and watching her psychological tug of war and…

in Mad Love she kinda of implies they DO have it, or she imagines it, it’s never clear, but further stories made me lean on the “no sex” camp.

you probably missed the memo. everything goes these days, there are no boundaries. and nothing is supposed to make sense.

yeah, harley really went to the henchmen or poison ivy for kicks. Far as i know they never got it on.

Joker was more like on the asexual wagon, all his thing with Harley was pure manipulation for shits, giggles and the occasional use of her as shield and bait.

I think that’s exactly what SavingPrincess is saying.

Came to say this exact thing. Doesn’t sound anything like ANY Joker, even the more truly psychotic versions. It sounds like they just wanted an excuse to have Harley been the Strong Female Character.

I was thinking the exact same thing. With Harley’s evolution as a character over the past decade or so I can see why she would hate The Joker now. But the way they write Joker in this, even at her most love-struck and dimwitted, there’s no point in Harley’s character history where this guy would have given her any…

This Joker seems less like the Joker and more like some fetish-ized abusive ex-boyfriend setup so the main character can show how strong she is now.

Okay... I’m not a regular reader of these, so someone do feel free to explain this to me.

Why does the Joker have his face back?