While it is certainly the armpit of America, there are some great driving roads (with very light traffic) in South-East Ohio. A bit of a hike, but worth a weekend trip from The D. I’ve passed through there a handful of times.

That was the name of my old WJ! RIP...

The misleading axes here tell you everything you need to know. This is a great example of fitting data to support your argument, which is not unique to either side of this argument.

ProTip: You can’t trust manufacturer’s advertised drag numbers. Especially the Europeans. I have personally benchmark tested dozens of cars from all parts of the globe, and every single one tested higher than advertised. All of them. The Europeans claimed drag is all over the map, while the Japanese all seem to…

Without defending alleged collusion or conspiracy, I feel it’s worth pointing out that most people would be surprised at how much the auto companies work with each other. Groups like USCAR (http://www.uscar.org) and ECARA (http://www.ecara.org) are a couple examples. Referring to the working groups themselves as…

I think the author would be shocked to know what it’s like to have a Chinese mother-in-law. They’re downright mean! And their humor (in my experience) is almost exclusively based on racism, physical appearance, and sex!

You clearly don’t know much about Chinese humor... or the relationship between a Chinese matriarch and her daughter-in-law...

I’ll assume most of you are too young to remember that Ford made HUGE waves in 1975 when they pushed the engine in the Econoline out front, freeing up a ton of interior space. They proceeded to sell the ever living shit out of the E-van for the next 20 years. Sure, the post-1975 E-van still had a big doghouse…

wow... WOW

She shows it off to all her friends!

Ahhahaha!!

Yeah, I’m pretty sure more people would have bought the 6 Hatch if they only knew what it was! It’s hard to tell it from a sedan at a glance, and the word “hatchback” in sales literature doesn’t sound awesome to a typical sedan buyer. Too bad, really. It was a great idea.

When I was in high school, we used to go out of our way to Get Off on Big Beaver!

Not an intersection, but funny and relevant-ish (and also real):

Several current mid-sized sedans meet this terrible definition of ‘fastback’.

Something something Jack Roush plane crash joke. Because car website.

This is fake news. The old blue MI plate wasn’t still in use in 2011. I had to stop using mine some time in the early 2000s. They were replaced with various white or light green plates.

Glad to see there are more of us “GM Brand Orphans” here! I’m an Oldsmobile nut myself (the other, other not-a-Poncho 455), but we weirdos need to stick together!

Yes. Differentials, transmission, wheel bearings, CV joints, tire rolling resistance, all the power demands against the engine that aren’t aero. And I’m sure my “750 to 1,000 hp of mechanical drag” stab is high, but I’m just an aerodynamicist. I know that all those mechanical forces exist, but I don’t know enough to…

Right, except there’s probably something like and additional 750 or 1,000 hp worth of mechanical drag that I’m not accounting for. I know the old rule of thumb is that total road load horsepower is split among aero and mechanical about evenly at 50 mph (50/50 at 50 as we say). Above that, aero will dominate as it…