Right? I LOVE David Bowie, but this maligning of Angie Bowie seems to have much more to do with how much every loved him and loves Iman (who seems delightful, btw). First marriages fall apart and there are casualties of that, often children—just ask Sean Lennon—but that doesn’t mean that Angie Bowie is an evil harpy.

To be fair, I think that’s in part because it’s a woman saying this. Men seem to be this blase about their children with an ex all the time and it doesn’t really raise many eyebrows, you know?

Oh please - let’s talk about another great parent of rock: Iggy Pop - from that time that he as an adult drug addict got a 14 year old pregnant. There’s a ton of other rock star dude parents who fell really short - like neglectful, not paying child support, uninvolved in their children’s lives whatsoever. Remember…

They both decided to send Duncan off to boarding school so they could party their brains out. They didnt give a shit about Duncan and Bowie even regretted this. They had the means to keep him around but didn’t. People kind get on Angie as riding on David’s coattails but what can you do when you were married to David…

She was married to David Bowie for 10 YEARS, and went through some major stuff with him. She was with him before he was a star, and was very resourceful in supporting his career. How does this = “awful woman” ?

In the UK papers she was quoted as saying she knew she was a wreck, had no home to live in, no job as she had been managing David, and was battling alcoholism -she didn’t fight for custody as she had nothing to offer him.

I know you’re trying to be supportive, but I feel you’re dismissing my need to stay safe by avoiding intimacy with men. I’ve only started giving myself a chance to heal this past year. I’ve slowly but surely stopped going on dates and I finally shut down my OKC account a month ago.

Arken, there’s been a loud and an unhappy chorus of Jez commenters wishing for weeks that you would leave and never return. So on their behalf, I am asking you to honor your offer. Do not come back.

Have you noticed all the glee that comes out around here, when a fight is breaking out? All the “Dis Gun Be Good”, and popcorn-munching gifs, as this group grooves on verbal hair-pulling and drama that goes on for pages?

I just explained. What I’d like isn’t for you to say something. It’s to listen and actually act upon what you’re being told.

Let’s stamp a big red NOPE on that. You probably know far more people than you realize who have been in treatment (1 in 4 will deal with issues within their lifetime). Try asking one of them whether their viewpoint is therefore worthless.

No kidding? I am going to read about that. Thanks for commenting!

I don’t understand people who both accept the theory of evolution and think that it somehow stopped happening with humans 20,000 years ago. “We didn’t evolve to eat grains!!!” Uh, I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what happened...

My reaction to Paleo is “Slaughter a mammoth with a stone spear tied to a stick or GTFO.” WE DO NOT LIVE IN PREHISTORIC TIMES, PEOPLE. WE HAVE CONQUERED FIRE AND HAVE AIR CONDITIONING NOW.

Nope, sorry, definitely a myth, definitely 100% patriarchal garbage fed to you. No woman should experience pain/bleeding/tearing during first time sex.

I couldn’t either, and I tried many, many times.

Nice to know that all those months of unbearable pain every time I tried to have sex was a myth. Reminds me of all the hippie mamas who swore labor didn’t hurt if you had the right mindset. Nope, both things fucking hurt, TYVM. (FYI: telling other women that their lived experiences are “patriarchal garbage” is being a…

We don’t yet live in that utopia, and I’m with you entirely on how things need to change culture-wide.

okay, let me explain

and yet, this enlightened, feminist, well-self-explored, well-foreplayed, long-term-relationshipped virgin experienced plenty of pain. and it got better.