I’ve been waiting for this since 2011! I’m planning a trip to Japan next spring, and desperately need to brush up on my Japanese. Thank you Dulingo!!! (PS, their Irish course is pretty darn fun too.)

Is there an article anywhere laying this out, besides ThinkProgress or other “left-y” places? (Like Washington Post, NYTimes.) I want to send the articles to folks around me who still insist Obamacare needs to be repealed, and I want to give them as little cause as possible to label the article “fake news.”

There’s a joke in Galaxy Quest where the actors-turned-heroes are constantly getting themselves into scrapes, and the one Genre Savvy guy says,” Did you guys ever *watch* the show?”

I get that same eerie feeling when watching current French politics. Did you guys ever bother reading about your various revolutions?..

Can you suggest an article from The Economist as a good starting point?

I haven’t claimed for a second Clinton was a great speaker or could hold a candle to Obama. I can say Obama is a good speaker without saying he’s a “once in a generation” orator or somehow the best speaker/campaigner ever.

Went life and death?? She walloped him in the primaries. She and Obama ran a might tighter race…

He’s... neither of those things. Don’t get me wrong, I love Obama and he’s very very charismatic, but Clinton’s campaign mimicked a lot of stuff about his 2008 campaign (his state strategy, anyway.) If he’s the “master” campaigner, then why is this book turning around and saying the campaign was so poorly run? As far…

But the question I’m asking is, *why* would a far-left anti-trade VP have won back those votes? Your argument is based on the assumption that those non-voters or Stein voters* made anti-free trade their number one reason for voting against Clinton or not voting, but where is the evidence of that? Why would Wisconsin…

Except Obama also supported the TPP, and yet won over the Rust Belt democratic base handily in 2008 and 2012, according to narratives. Even in this thread, people are arguing that Clinton was a terrible candidate because she lost Obama voters, but she lost Obama voters with policies similar to Obama’s. How does that…

I guess I just really side-eye this idea that “anti free trade” is what kept far-left voters from the polls, especially since Obama was *more* in favor of free trade than Clinton, and they showed up for him. It also suggests that people on the far left are super policy-wonks who apparently don’t mind that someone like…

And that’s without taking into account voter laws, which disproportionately hit minority communities (and guess who are more likely to vote Democratic?)

Everybody yammers about Clinton losing WI when they forget that Milwaukee is one big blue spot in an otherwise very blue state. Chip away at the people who vote blue…

Yeah, there is a willful blindness to our own streak of nationalism/protective-ism on the left side. Heck, it even gets mixed in there with anti-war rhetoric, that there is no humanitarian crisis, no matter how dire or heart-breaking, where intervention should occur.

My ex actually wrote on FB several weeks before the election:

That suggests that voters can be won back by those things. Several studies have demonstrated that economic anxiety had actually very little to do with who people voted for (it seems more likely that *perceived* economic fears came into play, where people disregarded facts for their own panic.) You’re also suggesting…

That’s my undergrad too, and frankly there have been some significant signs that we were pointing this way for a while. Heck, I kind of think *Obama* was the exception; that in the wider pattern of history, his election and presidency is going to be the one that stands out as unusual.

Except Clinton beat him about the head with those *exact same things*, and nobody seemed to care. And again, Clinton won among those who are supposed to have all of this economic anxiety; it was middle-class and wealthier whites that really swung towards Trump. You’re saying a fiery pro-labor liberal would have…

A lot of this kind of “Clinton lost because she sucks” analysis seems to be missing that candidates exactly like Trump are popping up in a lot of Western countries (Philippines, France, England) and *winning.* Yes, Clinton may be uniquely awful and somehow The Worst Campaign Runner Ever, and yet many candidates that…

Okay this confuses me. I’ve heard people say she should have picked a pro-labor, anti-free trade person in order to pick up the “Bernie” crowd; except then people turn around and insist it wasn’t independents/far-left people who “lost” Clinton the presidency, it was college-educated white folks that should have been…

Also they mistake Milwaukee/Madison for the whole rest of the state. Yes, those cities lean blue; they aren’t enough to compensate for the whole rest of the freaking state going hard-line conservative. This was the state that voted in Scott Walker; *several times.*

She lost to the guy who *won the Republican primary.* This whole “he’s the worst candidate in history!” BS is ridiculous when you consider how many seasoned Republican candidates he beat out during the primaries.

I am THERE for a darker, live action version of Hunchback. No singing gargoyles, but the rest of the original songs. Those songs are freaking *amazing.* (“Bells of Notre Dame” still gives me shivers.)