IF people were JUST upset that a liked character was raped (or murdered etc), there wouldn’t be an issue. But that isn’t the issue, is it? -Pretending- that is ALL which is happening here is disingenuous (at best).
The ‘double standard’ people are referencing is in regard to the claims that this is an EXAMPLE of a…
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Fiction can’t show anything about reality -because- its fiction.
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“Pointing out that someone is being a reductionist”
Ah, so its not that you didn’t read the statement. It’s that you don’t care about the facts - the actual arguments which have been made. You simply want to engage in name calling and personal attacks.
IF you were actually interested in a rational discussion on the…
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“It’s so reductionist”
You did read my posts, right? Including the part where I explicitly pointed out I didn’t state the phrase in philosophic or literary terms.
BTW - ‘Nu-uh’ isn’t an argument, no matter how many words you use to say it. Sorry.
Or it might be that the writers succeeded wildly in their job - that of pulling the rug out from underneath you. That’s drama - creating the gap between your expectations and what actually happens. In other words, the writers didn’t follow the ‘formula’ you were wanting - that you were hoping to get. And that’s the…
“b. rape shouldn’t be a plot device to motivate a male character”
Why? And does this mean murder shouldn’t be a plot device to motivate a character? In other words, a victim can never be a victim except to motivate themselves? That’s just bad writing. Another person can be an individual’s highest value (wife, husband,…
1 - Didn’t say all stories NEED a philosophy. I said they all have one. BIG difference.
2 - didn’t claim they are the same. I stated one HAS the other. You ARE actually reading what I’M writing, right?
3 - “The main point of the story cannot be “anyone can die,” because that’s not a point you want to rest the entire…
“A philosophy is not a story”
But all stories have a philosophy.
It does raise the question about WHY one enjoys the books or the show. One might even suggest the identified issues are simply symptoms of a bigger problem.
“that would be a silly point”
Really? It’s the premise of philosophies. So why shouldn’t it be the point of an entire show/series?
While I didn’t bother to put it in more philosophic or literary terms, I would put it to you that =is= the point - is the philosophy - of the series. And it’s still a non-sequitur to claim…
“then the whole thing would end with everyone dead”
The fact that no one is safe - from anything or anyone - doesn’t mean that everyone must therefore die. That is simply a bizarre non-sequitur. Sorry.
“The issue is what message and worldview the treatment of rape implies”
Okay - what “message and worldview” does the treatment of murder, mutilation, and enslavement in GoT “imply”?
“think it’s deliberately obtuse to pretend that it’s ridiculous that people are more upset about Sansa’s rape.”
If people were simply complaining about the rape of a particular character, you are correct. But that is not what they are doing, is it? They have taken the particular instance and are now condemning -rape-…
“they had the chance to eliminate a lot of the rape.”
Why? On what basis do you claim that particular form of violence should have been eliminated from these brutal, brutish stories? They had a chance to eliminate a lot of the violence. Hell, they could have eliminated all of them.
Please tell us, in your infinite…
You don’t get why some don’t understand silence when it comes to witnessing one person’s murder but outrage when it comes to witnessing another person’s murder?
IF this was simply people complaining that they didn’t like that a particular character was murdered, raped, mutilated, or enslaved, that would be one thing…
Your analogy is faulty. A more appropriate analogy would be having to -watch- both the Detroit rape and the rape of your sister/wife/daughter - and then only protesting the latter.
Hopefully the problem with such an action obvious. And thus hopefully the incredulity of those who are trying to point out this same…
If that’s true, then The Mary Sue would owe them an apology.
“She has gone from a strong woman to another object”
And that’s the real problem, isn’t it? Can’t have a story diminish a person. Except that’s the whole MO of GoT.
Glad to see some waking up to that fact. The only question is - why did it take you all more than five episodes, let alone five years, to discover this fact?
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And so you hate to see them suffer. You hate to see them reduced to the victim of someone else, so much so that the focus is even shifted off of them. But that’s pretty much the point and MO of GoT.
No one is safe - from anything or anyone.