Here’s my question about Discovery: has the show reached the nadir of how dumb the phrase “logic extremists” sounds, or is it going to somehow sound even dumber the next time it’s spoken aloud?

I get why they would want to unfridge the doctor, but I hate how the mycelia network has become this pseudo magic handwaving plot device. It’s like the wormhole entities from DS9 all over again and those were the weakest parts of that series.

I had really hoped they would keep Ash with the Klingons and we would never have to see him again. But noooooo we’re gonna have this boring romance plot shoved down our throats every episode now huh.

we spent so much time racing from crisis to crisis that nothing lands. This is less a specific story than it is a collection of bits of other stories glued together to be as exciting as possible.

So I guess at some point in the next, what, five years (how long is it until the TOS timeline kicks off?), someone is going to have to stand in a roomfull of Starfleet admirals and say “we have this miracle technology that not only can get you to any point in the galaxy in the blink of an eye but can also bring people…

“Everybody stand back! I’m with Section 31!”

i found your eternal trailer comment to be pretty accurate. now onto my other problems with the series:

Making Section 31 an official part of Starfleet is a terrible idea and pretty much destroys the legitimacy of the Federation.

I just want this show to be so much better than it is. And every now and then there is a flash that maybe it can be, but then it’s gone very quickly.

No no, this is the internet, if we disagree on something that must mean the other person is not only inherently and undeniably wrong, but also bad, and should feel bad! And we should never relent!

Yaknow, it’s weird to me that the show needed to spend time now in the second season with a new plotline to explain why the spore drive was never used in the shows set later in the timeline. Last season, I had initially guessed that they’d just end up destroying the spore network, but then as I saw the mirror…

Eh, I think they’re going to have to find a better way than that to retcon the spore drive away. Sure, it would stop the Federation from using it - but I doubt the Klingons, Romulans or the Dominion would give a shit.

This really felt like an actual Star Trek episode to me. The fact that the danger of the week was actually just some sort of life form trying to communicate is classic Trek right there.

I agree with you that the orb’s storyline was largely wasted. But I guess I’d also “argue” the story wasn’t about the orb in the first place and that the orb’s story has been done to death on Star Trek, so this was a different spin inasmuch that this Big Bad was only a means to an end, and not meant to be the central…

What we “need” is a good show. Not a copy of a style that’s worked before. Otherwise, I agree with you, and I’m not going to defend Whedon at all.

Uh, wow.  There’s literally no possible reaction to such utter nonsense.  

Season 2 of DS9 is excellent and is unfairly overlooked.  Even Season 1, while containing a lot of crap, was better out of the gate than TNG.  

Just popping in to say that today I finished Season 1 of “Discovery” and caught up on many of Zach’s reviews. Seriously, what the fuck is this show? Season 1 was a gigantic mess, with a few fleeting moments of fun surrounded by so very many baffling, stupid and utterly poor storytelling decisions.

I don’t buy the argument about the other Trek shows taking awhile to find their too. It’s a different time for television than the 90s and the 60s. There are far less episodes per season-is it really too much to ask to be better than the spinoffs’ first season? Being better than TNG Season 1 is not an accomplishment.…

You don’t have to read a ST novel to have an opinion about Star Trek. And the idea of ST was the real star of the show. If you want a bunch of bland action and a show about one hero, I say fine... But that's not Star Trek and shouldn't be.