See, this discourse you’ve been having with IAMRU2? This is how the internet SHOULD be, in my honest opinion. People getting together and learning about one another. Maybe it’s because this week has been especially horrible in terms of the news, but I’ve really taken encouragement from this thread.

Some people can actually think and discuss more than one topic at a time. Crazy.

I just want to say that i know what you mean when you talk about the experiences of “boy” children and “girl” children being different; gender norms are imposed on us from birth and can shape us in very real ways, from having toy trucks pushed on you and bring told not to play with dolls, to bring forced to wear…

The Futurist Manifesto had declared, “We will glorify war —the world’s only hygiene —militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of freedom-bringers, beautiful ideas worth dying for, and scorn for woman.”

I have to jump in and thank you both (you and IAMRU2) for the best, most thoughtful, most informative and genuine and kind and heartfelt and helpful exchange on this site I have read in probably over a year. I have been negotiating a few of the same questions as you have, though from a slightly different perspective,…

I don’t follow your meaning. Singal is not a woman and not trans; his only “experience” is in researching and interviewing women and trans people for his articles. The objection is not that he is a non-trans person writing about a trans issue (from the article: “The fact that Singal is cis does not disqualify him from…

Thank you for being so patient and thoughtful about this- your back-and-forth with Girl With The Pencils In Her Hair is the primary reason why I’m on Jezebel. I’ve learned a lot, and continue to learn- especially when folks like you engage like this! Have a great day!

It’s used a lot as a cudgel against LGBT and race issues, though. I see it for other stuff, but I seem to see it more often in the “don’t you realize this is all a class/economic issue?” sort of way to shut down discussion of advancing LGBT and minority rights. Be quiet, white cis males are talking!

There is a whole lot of doublethink in Jesse Singals comments, too, non? It’s all so absurd in a horrifying way.

Thanks for this, Redbirdie!

Again, thanks for the reply!

heya, i appreciate so much that you are grappling with this with such good intent.

Apologies. I worded that poorly. I meant: “the gender they identify with [so, claim as their own] as opposed to the sex with which they were born.” I didn’t mean it like “the gender they allegedly are.” Will change in the original post, if editing allows.

Thank you for this thoughtful reply, and for giving me the benefit of the doubt. These can be tricky conversations to have, so I really appreciate you taking the time to respond, and being gracious in your responses.

Shorter, "let the fascists destroy trans people so that I can believe that they'll spare me."

I know I’m going to get roasted for this, but the only way to learn is to ask the question and risk looking like an idiot. And I am genuinely interested in the response, so here goes: why are ‘TERFs’ so horrible?

It’s a crazy concept, but I can, actually, be pissed about more than one thing at a time.

Thank you for being incredibly condescending.

Yes, I think you can talk about desistance, but when that’s the major narrative being put forward, that’s a real problem. And it’s something I’ve seen TERFs use to invalidate trans identities.

TERFs.