The Leaf formula is just being cheap. $10K plus off MSRP plus additional tax and local rebates make it a really cheap car.

So how long do you want to wait before you are sure they aren’t going to go kaput? Look at the DeLorean and Beetle, how long have their respective makers stopped making parts? Yet parts are readily available.

The appeal of the Tesla 3 is at that price, you’d get a nice handling, tight and nimble RWD that can get more stated range than the Leaf at roughly the same price point. Of course Nissan dealers will probably sell it for much less, but on paper the FWD, econobox looking Leaf doesn’t have a whole lot of appeal if…

The whole tax debate reminds me of the downfall of many dynasties in China. Take the Ming Dynasty, for example: imperial households and their relatives, officials and the well educated (those who passes state sanctioned exams), business people (Trump would be all over this), and military leaders don’t pay taxes. Now…

Only if you compared MSRP vs. OTD for GTI. See VWVortex or MK7Golf forums for “what did you pay” thread. I got my ‘16 SE w/PP (leather, PP, stick) for 27K OTD, and that was still about $700 more than what some others paid.

Has atheism ever burned people on a stake? Has atheism ever done egregious things to other humans because some atheist said it’s the right thing to do? Look at the atrocities that humans have committed throughout the ages, and more often than not it’s in the name of some religion or another.

A new ‘16 GTI with SP (+10hp & LSD) was 27k OTD. Leather seats and everything.

For 50X the price.

Yes.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that it’s far cooler for the GOP to be seen associating with the Russians as opposed to say, the Chinese because Russians are (mostly) white/Caucasian.

The answer is simple: Chinese students that come to our schools. They’ve got money, speak passable English, and will join the workforce highly educated.

One should never carry around a firearm with a round in the chamber, never ever. There’s no such thing as a failure-proof safety, because humans will inevitably find ways to screw it up.

That was made in China.

Hopefully Khan won’t be some fair white dude pretending to be from the subcontinent...

I think he’s too selfish for that.

It’s one of the reasons I didn’t pick the Mini was the middle instrument stack that makes it difficult to read.

OK, but can I get Eibach lowering springs and Neuspeed sway bars for this thing?

When my kids were that age, I found an extended rest stop with some reading and games (they’re not allowed to read or play video games while the car is moving) was more desirable.

Says the guy who hasn’t seen how Chevy prices the Volt and Bolt.

Because Lexus RX drivers are old, beige (car & skin color), and never pays any attention to anyone else on the road.