Sounds like you just described the Matrix XRS from 2003.
180HP, 6spd manual, spiffy wheels, under 20K.......

To be honest the Accord is the only family sedan I’d buy right now as it’s the only one with a manual.
Camry has the big v6

With the size difference in the Accord and Civic I feel like Honda should just split the difference and offer only one car. Maybe shrink the Accord by a very small amount and kill the Civic or vice versa. They over lap to much.

2 of my former cars were totaled by the next owner. One was perched by insurance after I wrecked it and the next owner fixed it again.

Ironically their original engine started as made for Multiplayer and was hacked to be single, now they are re-hacking it to get it to work for Multi again.

Sure, but pads, and 4 tires over the chance of even just 2 or 3 people not buying a car from that dealer or a few people not wanting service from that dealer anymore EASILY covers those charges.

It may be similar to blackmail as the Rep said, but it would be better on them financially to just do it.

I learned that you can get drunk on VE in 11th grade. Science class was fun. :-)

Let it be known that professionals use Ford Escort ZX2's to teach.

My problem is that I want to buy in teh next 3 months, so my money may end up going to a STI or WRX when I would definitely have a AWD turbo 3 over them.

For me this will turn into a manual Civic Sport Hatch, vs a manual 3 Hatch. I wonder which is more engaging to drive.

I remember hearing a story where MJ tried to go to a bar and got swarmed by people. He supposedly had no idea he was still relevant and thought that concerts his size were normal for musicians.

Was any of this actually proven? I’m not a MJ fan but this whole things just sounds like a money grab to me. Macaulay Culkin still 100% insists that if this side of MJ existed he never saw it. He believes MJ was weird and liked kids because his own childhood was basically taken from him by an abusive father and he was…

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The 2JZ was in like 10 cars.

AWD, 6spd and RS trim level, I’ll look into one.

I feel like the AWD version of the 3 hatch with a 6spd and the 2.5T would ROCK.

Yeah, but he said “HUGE increase in fuel economy for every size pickup” which isn’t true. 

It was a trade in, but the sales guy let me see what they paid for it verse what I got it for since I have been going to that dealer for years and have family friends there. I paid just $850 over what they gave the previous owner. They tried to get me into a new 2007 GT and even those had steep discounts. My dad used…

I took the tank in 2007 as the best time for me to buy my first Mustang. Was great as everyone wanted gas sippers and I was there getting a discount on a nice big v8. :-)

Also my dads 2012 and 2018 F-250 both got 12-13MPG. Maybe the MPG has gotten better on the F-150, but larger trucks have barely shown an improvement.

I’d love one of these if they had a TRD supercharger option. I feel like they would be a great sleeper as no one expects a Corolla anymore, let alone a wagon.