The 30k still stands. And not much else changed.

And a Lexus LS is a Toyota Avalon underneath. A Chevy Impala is a dumbed down CTS. The Audi A6 is a gussied up Passat. Do realize how often this is done in the auto industry? A 68' Cougar was a 68' Mustang in drag.

Aesthetics are a matter of opinion and overpriced just means it needs a lower price. Free is not a price. Nissan Leafs are 29k and those are complete poo. A volt should cost at least that much and an ELR should be more.

You can't calculate the $7500 tax credit into the price, because you don't get that upfront. If you say "well, the Volt is 28K after the tax credit" the fact is you still have to take out a loan or fork over 35.5K up front. Then at tax time you realize you only paid 5K in federal taxes, so that $7500 tax credit is…

You should see the lease deals. Anything from $499-599 with only about $3,000-4,000 down. That's huge for an $80k car. And it really is gorgeous, even if it is a Volt underneath.

There's nothing wrong with the volt if that is the type of vehicle you are in the market for.

The point Patrick is making is that a cheap car doesn't have to scream those things and the new Mazda2 is an example. It's about time small, cheap cars start looking good and driving well, something Europe has had for literally ever. But you still don't get it. Looking at your other replies, you seem to care about a…

And probably a $14k maintenance/repair bill.

Not everyone has the same needs as you do.

Disagree, especially in this case. That's an incredibly elitist viewpoint by the way. Anytime I see someone in a new Mazda, even in base form, I say good on them for buying that instead of a Corolla. It's a sharp looking, reliable car that allows people to save for other things. And give me a break. A 2003 Benz will…

So? The constitution placed this limit on the federal government. And it really saddens me when people forget that and think laws should be bent or ignored anytime it would benefit their favorite company. I mean, one notable time the federal government exerted "influence" is when they strong-armed states into…

1. They are not "full-on UAW built" as the Tennessee plant is only getting an unrecognized chapter.

As is the vehicle pictured in the article, but I guess you're too stupid to understand that. Purist bullshit like this is why I hate the Jeep community.

Probably because "not partnering with others" is a sure fire way to do things like "end up stranded and dead" regardless of what sort of rig you are driving.

It's a fucking Cherokee, dumbass, not a Dart.

because thats best practice off-roading for any vehicle regardless of capability. and I suspect because they had one maybe and wanted to go together?

yes, in the same way you are a heavily modified re-badged version of your parents.

I'd buy it. Fuck yeah America (and Italy).

Situations like this are EXACTLY what these assistance programs are designed to help with. A series of unfortunate circumstances leads a family to financial hardship... Bear in mind that while they enjoyed more financial freedom, they were paying into the system through their formerly higher tax rate.

So you definitely didn't/can't read the article....