Well, exactly. Medicare/-aid “for all,” if it is what the name makes it sounds like (and that’s the version I support, obviously), doesn’t means-test. The ACA, however, does. If you’re below a certain (rather low) earnings cutoff, you get varying levels of subsidy. If you’re above that cutoff, you get diddly, and…

I live in Canada, and I hate that optical & dental aren’t covered by socialized healthcare. They should be.

There’s still a market for private insurance. Also, no company offers ONLY health plans. Socialized medicine is more efficient than the employer provided care system, so yes, some people doing unnecessary and redundant work will lose their jobs. Executive salaries will fall. People also lost jobs to electricity. Coal…

I still think the easiest way to get single-payer through is to allow people to buy into medicare at 50. Just talk about the problem with older people being unable to get jobs with benefits and letting them still get health insurance they pay for. Then allow health insurance companies to stop coverage at 50 if…

1) Tell that to all the people who have been denied coverage then went bankrupt and/or died.

Unless they deny coverage based on some bullshit reason after years of premium collection.

Having health insurance is not the same as having health care, though. Health insurance is an arbitrary third-party barrier between a person and the care they need, and an insurance company’s only real reason for existence is to find ways to prevent that person from receiving that care.

Health care in the US is great if you’re rich. How long does someone without insurance have to wait down there though?

Doctors and hospitals deny coverage?

health care is cheaper and more efficient in nearly every single country that does single-payer.

Single payer would save everyone money. Except those who profit in illness, misery, and death. I’m okay with that. We should all be okay with that.

The ACA polling was also, in part, inaccurate because many on the left/progressive end were not pleased with it either, considering it was the Mitt Romney/Heritage Foundation plan of welfare for health care industry so the perception was that Americans by and large did not support the ACA, but that was because a good…

The right wing in single payer countries constantly try to cut healthcare. They still cover more people for less money and produce better results.

You mean never EVER COME TO PASS! *crowd goes wild*

True! And the status quo has worked oh so well, what with President Clin—uh. Wait. Okay. I mean, it’s not like the Democrats lost over 1,000 seats natio—oh. Huh. Well, as long as I maintain my position at the head of the sinking ship, fuck to the authentic left, am I right, guys!?

Those numbers would be over 65% if the question was simply worded as “medicare for all”

Yes it should, and not only that any single payer legislation would have to repeal the Hyde amendment (there’s no debate that’s acceptable about that - abortion is part of healthcare, and there’s no way I’d support a single payer bill that didn’t cover abortion).

Believe it or not, some people have this thing called empathy, which means that the number of dollars in their pocket isn’t their primary concern.

Oh, sorry, Mr. Popular.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, etc. never attacked the United States and we have no right to be in those places. We would have a better claim in declaring war and invading Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. The criminals that perpetrated the destruction of the World Trade Center should be treated as criminals. Our rampant…