When I drive around Detroit proper, paper tags and dealer plates are extremely prevalent, especially on junky cars where it makes absolutely no sense.  I’ve always wondered why this phenomena existed or how people were getting these plates... now I know!

Sadly this will continue until we jail people driving with no license, registration, insurance, id, anything. Jail them till the DVM pulls owner records for the vehicle and can track a valid ID for the person driving. A week or two stay in a lockup should be a fun deterrent.

So how long are these plates good for and do they still have to have insurance ?

I don’t really care about the stocks and finances of Carvana on the backend, but I just sold my 22 Veloster N to them for nearly as much as I paid for it 2 weeks ago. When I appraised in March and April, the offers were around $26-28k. It jumped to $32k late May and I jumped at the chance to sell it.

This thing could be a 1 of 1 special edition, and it’d be ruined with all these mods.  It is just another modded Miata now.

I was in Vegas recently and I saw quite a few there as well. Teslas, yes, but also a few Leaves and Ioniq 5s and at least one Polestar 2.

It’s not just maintenance. For years dealerships have complicated purchasing a new vehicle. Direct sales not only makes it easy, but also transparent.

they also don’t require oil changes, or air filter changes, or much of anything changes. so the service department is going to take a huge hit. 

And like who in Idaho is not buying a truck? It’s easy to see a lower interest in EVs when you look at farm country.

That doesn’t mean much, if anything - Idaho is practically a rounding error when it comes to new car sales compared to California, the #1 new car market in the US.

If you are looking at countries that really push EV, the rate of adoption is actually crazy (Norway). 80% of their new vehicle is EV.

It’s also not surprising that potentially changing the way a person earns a living, and therefore impacts himself, his family, and his employees is going to come with enormous trepidation and angst. The stuff about “clean not being clean” is just bullshit, but it’s how he justifies his stress levels and decision to…

They sell well. They just have lower maintenance requirements and fewer reliability issues that can be moneymakers for the service department. On top of which they need to retrain their service department.

Depends where you live. In California I see them everywhere. When I drove to Idaho I only saw them at the chargers and twice on the road in a week. 

Yeah, they don’t sell well. I guess that’s why the Model Y was the best selling car worldwide last quarter.

What gives you that impression? BEV market share in the US is only going up every year. Q1 2023 market share was 7.2%, it was 5.3% for Q1 2022 and 3.2% Q1 2021.
Total BEVs sold in Q1 2021 was just under 100k. Q3 of this year? over 250k.
Looking at these numbers, a goal of 10% of fleet being BEV by 2030 seems not just…

EV are threat due to fixed price policies of manufacturers. 

Kinda sounds to me like they don’t want to sell them because they don’t sell well, not so much that they refuse to because of personal reasons.

I’m not sure what “personal reasons” are but the article does indicate that dealers are flinching at manufacturer requirements to sell EVs. For example, Ford set forth requirements for training, installing DC fast charging at the dealership, transparent non-negotiable pricing (which probably go against the “dealer…

Sounds like a bunch of business dinosaurs gonna experience an extinction event when the asteroid hits.