But yeah, I mean, I take the point that he was bad.

Moreover, if you want to read them with that in mind, his books with his behavior, then that can help you look at the behavior of characters in the books, etc. Not as a moral like “This is good because he was good,” but “Let’s check into the psychology of this.”

I mean as a work, not with the idea of Hemingway in your head as you read it. But I think it is great, I have read it a couple of times, and it really has a depth and beauty that shows great writing, if nothing else.

They really are remarkable. I would recommend reading them again, at least the ones that I’ve read, especially The Sun Also Rises by Hemingway.

But that doesn’t apply to this, because that’s not a hiring process. A black fraternity doesn’t hire people and pay them, as a business (and if it does, it should let people of all colors and creeds in); a lamaze class actually does allow males in, but of course, that is a class, for women, giving birth, and not a…

So you’d rather let it slide into oppression and work it out after that.

That’s not what I’m saying at all.

And by the way, snide comments are part of a public tide that can keep people down and afraid of saying anything, even if it’s necessary or would be for the good of the public or just for the good of themselves.

Again, I’m not saying you are the problem, shit like this is the problem, with, “Well, try to stop me, I’m going to discriminate all I want, ‘cause ya’ll did it to me, and two wrongs make a right, right?” And, by the way, people acting this way got it to be that in Canada, or parts of Canada, you can go to court for…

You keep attacking anyone who says anything against the party line and calling it intellectual rationalism, or whatever your term is for coming in here and saying, “Yeah, you’re saying what we’re all thinking is the wrong thing, so it’s okay for us to beat you into submission and then get mad at you for acting out,…

Uh, see, that’s not what I said. If you want to put words in my mouth, you can take over this profile and write posts for me, and write whatever you want into them. But that’s not what I said, and as long as someone is putting words into my mouth, they are not dealing with the content of my statement and thus just…

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Well, I hope someone will see someone, somewhere (me, or hopefully anyone else) standing up to this fucking bullshit. At least a little dialogue in the opposite direction, as opposed to, “Yes, we are men, enslave us, you get to discriminate against us all you want because that is good.”

If that’s what she’s doing, then more power to her. If that’s what she’s really doing, and not just saying, “Well, I’m a woman, so I deserve to discriminate against people because I’ve been discriminated so long,” Well, then, that’s something. And I hope this does get on the books, and I mean not that you can hire…

So do those white people deserve to be slaves, then?

Unless you think it’s a good idea to go back into slavery?

So sure, yeah, I am, because I stand up for the rights of people not just oppressed but not oppressed? How do we get into oppression, except by oppressing people who were previously not oppressed?

I stand by that. She has the right to do whatever she wants, but she also has the right (and the obligation) to be penalized by the law for it. If not, our law system is in demolishes, and that will be a bad thing.

You have the right to do whatever you want, but that’s a logical fallacy, and you know it, and to say, “Well, I’m not doing anything about it anyway, but I don’t care about one at all because the other one’s going on” is to say, “One has equal weight to the other, not, because I guess one skin color deserves more…

And support for the latter shouldn’t be there, of course. But if one person’s fucking burning and one’s fucking hanging, and you can save both, you say, “Nope,” and only save one of them? I save both.