Agreed 100%. Now can we at least enterain the possibility that Adnan killed Hae? No? Okay then.

I agree. I think. Not sure exactly what you’re getting at but I think there’s a social class/economic angle to this no one’s talking about. In the book Backlash, Susan Faludi talks about a class of men George Gilder called the “Contenders.” They made reasonable salaries and felt they should be getting a better sort of…

I disagree. Sometimes I think I’d like that to be true, ‘cause I don’t need the competition! But in my experience they have the height and the narrow hips going for them (frowny face)

Fair point.

I feel like it’s just the opposite, and my mother told me the same thing back in the 60's! All the men in the room will go straight to the top best-looking woman and ignore all the rest!

Exactly. Additionallly, they mean “conventionally attractive young upper-middle-class women.” As I said upthread, there is no shortage of Southern Baptist (and other religious) meek lamb type women raised submissive and conventionally attractive. They don’t want that.

You have probably heard about this, but some of those big-name alt-right tech industrialists in Silicon Valley have this in mind for the people who will be displaced with no jobs in the future. Lock them up and feed them and have them live in virtual reality 24/7 to keep them pacified.

Elliott Rodger was a whole other level of needing help. He had some kind of mental illness beyond being a typical “nice guy” who could have figured it all out. I don’t think the problem was his looks—but just watch his “supreme gentleman” videos. Guy was wound so tight—he was good-looking enough and probably could…

Can confirm, only it’s not just about sex/dating. Felt the same way in making friends with other women. Completely excluded and alone, trying to improve myself and shed drawbacks and continually wondering why I was so repulsive. I’ve since had better luck with men and relationships, but still feel very left out when…

Well here’s a funny story. I am a woman and accidentally hit on two women. I got totally rejected!

Here’s what happened. I got an email about a discussion group that was starting and this was one of their first meetings. It was at a lesbian bar. I thought our discussion group had the whole bar.

I showed up and not…

Yes, there’s a huge class divide in this—and there’s an accompanying huge missing pool of adequately employed working-class or lower-middle guys because the jobs are precarious or gone.

Well you sound like the type of guy I was attracted to before I got married. I liked my share of short guys who rejected me! (pout) I would just like to point out that the sexiest man who ever walked the planet, bar none, was 5'2” God rest his beautiful soul. Prince.

Can confirm. Negativity is a tremendous drawback. Have had struggles with it myself. Meeting someone with a positive personality is like night and day.

Thanks for speaking up. I think you are onto something.

THIS!!!!!!!!

Back in the 70's, someone said the genders would be equal when women started organizing war parties to drag off mates.

I grew up in the Deep South in a strict sect where women are raised to be subservient. Thing is there is NO shortage of meek lambs looking for working-class or middle-class husbands. For one thing, their very existence cannot be justified or validated without being married. They are brought up to put the husband’s…

I know people have heard this ten thousand times, but women for the most part do not want pity sex or last-call sex or just-body-parts sex whatever you want to call it. So it’s a false equivalence. Women do not get the validation the vast majority crave just from scoring. Plus it’s dangerous to go home with a stranger…

OK I’ll bite. I was a woman incel until I was 32. Took me 16 more years to find the “one.” And yes, I was being too picky for what I brought to the table. I finally had to figure it out. It wasn’t that I was only interested in “hot” men, but some of my criteria had to do with education level (college at least,…

I bleach. Therefore there are two very different kinds of conditioners I need to use. Once a week I use protein conditioner to undo some of the damage bleach does. But protein conditioner is very drying. You aren’t supposed to use it more than once a week.

The rest of the time I use moisture conditioner. In fact,…