I’m not stupid, though.

Nah, but cute. Regressive opinions that serve primarily to maintain the status quo don’t matter to people who are interested in fixing things, nor should they.

They agree with you that he’s not going about it the right way? It certainly seems like they don’t.

To be fair, I think most people who hate vegans feel that way because of run-of-the-mill normative bias, which causes them to over-register the presence of anybody who is different, then overestimate their prevalence in the general population while perceiving any mention of deviance from the norm as judgment. It’s…

Yeah, it’s clear that you don’t.

Eh, there are enough other dudes here saying exactly what he is in slightly less inflammatory words that I feel like responding to him isn’t the worst idea.

Nah, there are actually lots of attractive women who respect themselves more than they respect the kinds of men who behave like this.

No.

Makes total sense! Thanks for the reply.

...and made a weird, extremely detailed spreadsheet about it that they posted on the internet. Then lied about doing so, because they knew it was wrong.

It’s not something both women and men do, equally, in society, and it doesn’t have the same implications and consequences for each gender when it DOES happen.

It’s so disheartening. I’m a huge sports follower, so I like reading a lot of the articles over there. But the comments are awful—totally thoughtless, and they devolve into these weird Jezebel hate-fests any time someone is like, “yo, the way you said that? Messed up.”

Heck, read the comments on Deadspin.

Contrary to popular belief, there are attractive women who care more about respect and decency than they do about the unsolicited opinions of creepy dudes who make spreadsheets about them.

Dude. It’s actually not normal to *produce a formal document ranking women you know/interact with regularly*. Which is what this person, and everyone else you’re replying to on this thread with “everyone talks about people!” is saying.

Plenty of people in these comments are, actually.

The stupid way is the problem, though. His comment implies things are just so unfaiiiiiir because women, when his issue is ostensibly solely with Deadspin. He could have framed it that way, while still making room to acknowledge that what these guys did isn’t OK, but he didn’t, because what’s actually riling him up is…

So, like...you just wish you could read this one, too?

That last paragraph isn’t exactly right. Men and women aren’t equal in physical strength, in aggregate, but “societal roles” are often only gendered because we’ve made them that way. There’s not necessarily anything biological about who’s better at nurturing/doing housework/being the boss/being a leader, etc., and…

What’s interesting is that I never said the Duke list was OK. Just that people’s obsession with equating them—and failing to acknowledge that there are any differences in reality between what they mean—speaks volumes, and evidences either a lack of concern for or total unawareness of context.