Yes, exactly. Also, I think that Trump’s administration is paying off foreign governments to release Americans. Selective Americans.

It’s so refreshing to have honest discourse on the internet and honestly that happens more often on kinja than any other site I go to. People are more open minded and willing to talk it out than anywhere else. Sure you have your blowhards and close minded individuals but sometimes you can have an actual conversation.

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I agree, although it is a clumsily written (the quoted AP part, I mean).

Also if she really went limp like some were saying or even if it just went from really into it to changing her mind if at any point after that he kept pushing the matter then it’s sexual assault. No means no, no matter how drunk you. I mean we weren’t there but luckily cameras were so the truth will eventually come…

I wonder about that, too. If both people are drunk, then, in theory, neither of them has the capacity to consent or are even in the right mind to think/ask about consent. Are they assaulting each other or is it dependent on what was communicated prior to hitting that point of intoxication? It sounds like both of them…

Seriously? This is the hill we die on? What was meant to be a small token of support is turned into a point of outrage? Im sorry but the reason trump and his supporters continue to shit all over us is because we devote too much of our very limited resources to bullshit infighting in a hope to be wokest. Can we get…

This is hilarious to me because of this particular reddit thread I was involved in today.

The potential sexual assault does not lie in what the contestants did together. It was that they were set up by completely sober production personnel who instructed them to hook up, who filmed the entire incident. How far sober contestants might have been willing to go in front of cameras might be a very different…

uh-oh....

Being too drunk to consent literally means being too drunk to form coherent affirmations that reflect an understanding of the situation, IIRC. So, being able to say “yes” isn’t quite enough, but being able to say “yes, give me you genitals, I want them for sex times” probably is. (Ethically, GET A LOT MORE THAN…

When both parties are engaging, but also too drunk to consent, I’m afraid it comes down to a draw: it’s a regrettable thing that happened, but either both parties are guilty of rape and their lives are ruined, they go to jail and/or go on the sex offender registry... or, more reasonably, no criminal charges are…

I believe I concur. Just like you are to blame if you run over a kid while driving drunk, you are to blame if you have sex with somebody who is too drunk to consent while drunk.

in the case of the show, it would fall on the people behind the cameras (production) to ensure people are being safe and are able to be doing the things they are doing.

Right, also since alcohol lower inhabitations at what point is either not responsible if both are equally drunk. Not passed out but walking talking and etc. So is it abuse or buyers remorse?

My understanding is that in most places in the world, being really intoxicated does not make anything illegal. You’re still legally able to consent. (Many schools and offices have policies against drunken sex, and in those cases, BOTH parties might get in trouble, but not legal trouble). The idea that being…

Yeah I’m having some mixed feelings about this which is making me feel horrible bc I alwaaaays take things of this nature serious, but I really have no clue what the story is.... it really is a fucking mess.

HAHAHA nope. In the NYT coverage one of the players said something along the lines of how awful it was to get shot at when he didn’t have his gun with him. Nope, now we’ll see gun manufacturers making special sport editions or some other such nonsense.

Part of me thinks that he’s near death and North Korea only let him go bc they don’t want a dead American on their hands,

I died laughing at this tweet The Guardian included in its daily roundup:

The uproar over this feels so much like a double standard. It’s ok to turn down a hug. Can you imagine if an unknown man approached a starlet on the red carpet and repeatedly asked for a hug while the starlet repeatedly declined politely? We’d be talking about a man’s assumption that he can touch whomever he wants.