Okay. The permit to build it was illegally issued. The right to name a car Grand Cherokee doesn’t rely on a permit. And a copyright is only valid if you enforce it. The Cherokee tribe obviously hasn’t been enforcing it for decades if the Cherokee Grand Cherokee have been in production for a helluva long time now.

So far their explanations have been “it’s from a place of ignorance, not actually ignorant” which is really a stupid reason to change the name. Oh no boo hoo the chief thinks that a car name is affecting peoples’ views on his tribe even though it’s pretty obviously not. Maybe Jeep can pay out some money to the tribe…

Well anyone can say anything. Doesn’t mean there’s actually a problem. Grand Cherokee is a car name. It does not, in any way, affect peoples’ views on the Cherokee tribe. He’s literally the one who’s making a problem by bringing up something almost completely irrelevant.

While I’m definitely against street racing, I’d probably rather go fast than do any of those other things. I enjoy cars mostly because of the thrill their speed bring. Yeah, of course an MGB restoration and cruising on windy country roads is fun, but I’d rather go fast on that windy country road. 

I’ve never street raced, but I’ve been with friends who have, and giving teens a place to race isn’t a solution. Half the fun is evading the police, you know, that rush you get from the “I did something illegal as fuck and I know it” feeling. It’s a great feeling, even though it’s dangerous.

Cool stuff. I like blues in general. The Toyota Camry has this one really dark but deep blue. Feels like you’re staring into a lake when you see it on some of the curvy bodywork. Ford’s blue that was the press car color for the Focus RS is really great, so are the blues on mustangs, especially the GT350s which I feel…

I have little experience with them, but I’ve seen Kumho tires have been marketed as good tires for the money. I honestly have no idea how much worse a mid tier tire can be than the top tier model. Unless you’re driving aggressively on cliff sides or tracking your car, then do they actually make a difference?

Pretty sure that a huge majority of the population has garbage trucks pick garbage up for them. I’m for trucks being allowed to anyone who wants one, but your garbage situation is a non issue for almost everyone

Just under 30mpg on the highway sounds pretty great for something that stays at over 3000rpm at 80mph.

Yeah, I’ve taken history and we’ve gone over the struggles of natives several times over by now. What’s all that have to do with a car not being allowed to be named Grand Cherokee? Nothing about the car or Jeep suggest anything ignorant. I think you’re the one ignoring that this is just a car name, and not a history…

This is a BS argument, because the white people who own that land have been benefiting from generations of accumulated wealth from owning that land, and the Native Americans have been suffering from the negative effects of losing their land and being shunted to a reservation

I’ve always wondered how they determine reliability of a brand new model. It’s kind of hard to make a 6 month old car have stuff break, so I’d hope a brand new model isn’t “ranked” anything other than top tier. Problems come with usage, more on some cars than others.

it needed ... a shorter 6th gear ratio so at 90 mph, it would be at 3000 rpm, not 4500

People’s expectations here are RIDICULOUS

You would, but thousands of car buyers wouldn’t because they came to the dealership to see a grand cherokee, a reliable, large SUV, not some other car, and have no idea that it has just been rebranded.

Do you even know what it means to be a white supremacist? lmao. I swear to god, people will literally throw that and “you’re racist” around at anything. All he said that it’s objectively dumb as hell to be offended at a car name that is objectively not offensive. 

As indeed it would be non-issue for me to remove the name “Cherokee” from my own Jeep

What if Kia renamed the lowest time level Rio after you, and made it clear in the ads that it was the crappy penalty-box version that people only bought because they were a loser.

I’m a little confused on how naming a car Cherokee is ignorant. It’s just a car name. And yes, I know that it’s meant to evoke a sense of ruggedness, but what’s the issue? Is the Lotus Elise now ignorant too because it suggests that women named Elise are light, nimble, unreliable, and performance oriented?

Seriously. It’s just a name. Nobody is getting a perception that native americans are rough and rugged because Jeep named their model Grand Cherokee.