Dames!

Fine. Yes, the shitty arbitrary reason for making an otherwise extremely personal reproductive choice is garbage if considered in a spotless, contaminant-free morality/ethics laboratory and generally decent people would probably not make that choice. In that very limited sense, you get to be right about this.

What about people who don’t want to donate their kidney to a black person, just because the person is black. Should we FORCE them to donate? They are letting the black person who needs a liver die, just becuase he is black! It’s racist!

But, at the end of the day, even terrible racists deserve control over their…

People are going to start throwing around the words “eugenics” and “slippery slope”. Sigh.

This is completely inconsistent with the general acceptance in progressive thought that a woman has a right to her opinion about something being sexist, a person of color has a right to an opinion about racism, etc.

Several points you make here here are very important:

There is a stereotype out there that people with DS are super loving, wonderful, child-like in all the precious ways... so this is a political maneuver to shame women/limit access (*ahem: HOW COULD YOU KILL A GIFT FROM GOD YOU MONSTER?!?!?!). What’s ignored is this very real reality: High-functioning people with mild…

China’s a more interesting and greyer case in that the demographic imbalance is so out of hand that it has the potential to cause real, large-scale societal problems. I’m still not super comfortable with outlawing sex-selective abortion in that situation, but I definitely understand why they’re doing it. That said,…

This gif makes my cold black heart sing.

Sex selective abortion causes problems for a society when it’s happening on a mass scale. In individual cases, as is the case in the US? I don’t see why the state needs to take an interest in that. I don’t think it’s a less valid reason.

Are we in Godwin’s Law territory now?

No one in this thread that I’ve seen has suggested mandatory abortions of any sort. This website is, schizoid as it is, ideologically pro-choice, emphasis on “choice”.

Secondly, while yeah, the idea of an undesirable trait is flexible enough to abuse a bit, I don’t think there’s a…

It’s a good thing I was already going to hell for unrelated reasons

This is an argument for why women who are raped shouldn’t be forced to raise the children of their rapists. I don’t know if his mother was a bad person to begin with, but, raised in a conservative environment where she was expected to have and raise her rapist’s son, his mother ended up being a terrible parent. And…

“Some” - at best, you can speak for “some” with ASD who empathize better than neurotypicals. On average, based on my experiences, this is not true.

If someone is going to abort a fetus because it’s going to be female, or black, or whatever, then that kid would be likely to have a horrific life if raised by that mom.

On the other hand, the children with Down syndrome who are high-functioning are only about 1-2% of all cases, even though those are the ones that people always picture when they are fighting for rights to life.

The difference is that Down Syndrome can be detected before birth, while autism and other ASDs typically manifest in the first year or two of (post-birth) life. But yes, we need better understanding of both conditions and care for those who have them. It would be nice if the folks who worry about women aborting…

100% agree. But until those services and that support are in place, some people simply aren’t going to be equipped to raise a special needs child, and I can’t condemn them for aborting based on that.

No one is coming after your existing child, Ms. Bellegia-Ernst. Stop being ridiculous.

At a May hearing on the bill, Heather Bellegia-Ernst, a mother of a child with Down syndrome, testified that “with nine out of 10 babies with Down syndrome being aborted, extinction is what we are really talking about.”