I’m probably leaning that way too. If the PT was for the post-MTV generation, then the ST was for...sigh~! not people like me who actually saw Star Wars in the cinema in 1977...?

Serious question as this determines whether or not I see this mess in theatres: is Kylo’s redemption supposed to be...real?

Now I gotta decide if the ST is worse than the PT.

she was in the EU. which counts in this article.

Plus Michael Caine as Michael Caine

I’m just here for Nolan’s characters’ high grooming standards and expensive suits. It’s its own sub-genre.

We’ve learned two major lessons with this trilogy. First, have a plan ahead of time. Two, if you don’t have a plan and are trusting your directors to move narratively through things dynamically and organically, commit to it. TFA was such an open canvass they could do almost anything in TLJ, and Johnson did that. But…

So I guess at the end of the new trilogy, Rey, a seemingly humble peasant on a backwater planet, turned out to be the descendent of a powerful and evil Sith, learned the ways of the force, helped to defeat the Empire, redeemed a fallen Skywalker, killed emperor Palpatine, and presumably went off to start a new Jedi…

True, But say what you will about George, both his OT family reveals had a lot more impact and meaning that JJ’s...

I’m still a bit fuzzy on why she buried the sabers on Tatooine, a planet Anakin hated, Luke wanted to escape from and Leia was only there as a slave to a slug monster. Yeah, super good place for their legacy to rest.

So you’re telling me that after all that shit, after setting up Kylo Ren as an abusive murdering psychopath, after framing an entire scene in which he invades Rey’s mind and physically assaults and tries to kill her more than once....this fucking culminates with them kissing? I fucking hate Star Wars lmfao.

As much as I’m not a fan of JJ, I can’t fault him too much on this movie. He had to try and clean up the absolute travesty that was The Last Jedi, which clearly didn’t work, nor do I see how it could. This whole trilogy has been one big missed opportunity and as a former SW fanatic, it’s made me indifferent on Star…

Admittedly, I have only read the spoilers, but the whole thing sounds like eight year-old me wrote it while playing with my Kenner action figures after seeing RotJ in 1983.

“And then Emperor comes back! And he had a granddaughter whose good, but Han and Leia’s son was evil. And there are like a hundred thousand star…

Well, the whole idea was that bloodlines and genes don’t matter.

That’s honestly the biggest plot hole in this whole plot hole ridden trilogy. Anakin not once ever reaches out to Ben to tell him to stop being evil and that Palpatine is tricking him, but his voice IS there talking to Rey at the end. It’s as if no one thought about anything when writing these movies, just…

I gotta say, that’s a quality rebuttal :-)

Our issue with incels isn’t that they can’t attract someone. Our issue is their behavior because of that. I would never laugh at someone or judge them because they can’t find love or a relationship. But if they are raging against the world (particularly against women) because of that? That’s when they become an Incel™.…

All i could think was “Then the Emperor has already won.”

The interesting part is that the Palaptine lineage wins. All the Skywalkers are dead and Rey (who is a Palpatine) lives. What a great way to end your series.

I still don’t understand why force ghost Anakin didn’t just tell his grandson to stop being a dipshit in his name.