The EcoBoosts have not been the problem.  The warranty claims are on other stuff, transmission issues, faulty seatbelt tensioners, AC evaporator cores, door latches, heat shielding.  The engines themselves have probably been overall better than the Triton motors that proceeded them.

And? I think we were talking about a systematic reliability issues with Ecoboost motors in their lineups.

I hear you on that, my Rebel has 3.91 rear axle and 33" tires, my highway if I reset the computer and take it really easy is 19 mpg. Realistic driving on freeway is 17 mpg. City is about 10 mpg in stop and go, mixed driving is about 14 mpg.

I looked HARD at the 2.7 F-150 but ended up with the 5.0 just based on the simplicity and possible reliability concerns down the road. Plus that noise...But yeah, everyone I’ve talked to about their 2.7 has had nothing but good things to say about it. I do wish I could get in the low 20s cruising, I can get 18-19 mpg…

HD makes sense, though we are talking about an Explorer and light duty trucks right?

I thought you were moving towards a reasonable discussion, but when faced with something you can’t answer, you cope out and go personal.  I don’t currently own a Ford by the way. 

Could you be more specific on those product issues? The launches for the Explorer and Aviator were flubs based on a condensed timeline, not because the subsystems were bad.

Absolutely, that RWD from FWD completely changed the process of how they build those cars. That along with the condensed timeline is what screwed it up.

it’s not trolling. it’s true. People complain that automakers don’t offer what they want, but they don’t buy shit when the vehicle they “want” is offered. Then the automakers drop those options because people didn’t buy, and people go back to complaining that the vehicle they want isn’t offered. And the cycle continues

They offered cars in 2017 and 2019 and you never even considered Ford as an option. So they’re not losing any sales to you by dropping those vehicles from their lineup and now they don’t have to pay overhead and labor to build those cars that you didn’t look at.

Isn’t that the point though? Make it efficient when it can be and make it work when it needs to? I think a lot of the short comings are perception-based. Maybe I missed it, but I don’t think anyone claimed that it would be more efficient all of the time, only when it wasn’t loaded, which is exactly what trucks need.…

Countless you say, based on what, forums? I work at a shop that uses about 30 of those trucks many with over 100K without those issues. Our fleet guy says he only wants those now after 2 decades of GMCs. There you go, more anecdotal evidence you can add up.  

If a 2020 model year was offered you would have found another reason to not buy it. It’s the Jalopnik way

Which means that they lost out on exactly Zero sales to you when they dropped the cars from their lineup. You said they canceled the cars you wanted to buy, but the fact that you chose a different vehicle over their old lineup just shows that you didn’t want to buy anything from Ford. They went from not having you as…

Weird. It’s like you can buy old technology for less than new technology.

Their problems with the Explorer and Aviator launches had nothing to do with those engines. Much of it was down to the transmission programming and app interfaces not working correctly.

That’s not a bad price for what you get. It’s actually a nice car from what I’ve seen and is certainly capable. Just because it says ford on it, doesn’t mean it’s supposed to be inexpensive. If you look at most of their offerings, they aren’t really that cheap at all. Try to price out an explorer...

It’s got really good specs for that price point.  Excellent range, power and utility.

just shut up. You weren’t going to buy one anyways. Everybody on Jalopnik talks about how they would buy a brand new car, but only if the automakers sold it with their specific options, and then they use that as excuse to not buy a car they weren’t actually going to buy in the first place.

Ford’s issue is incredibly basic. It is failing at car making. I think their long term strategy - focus on electrification, CUVs - makes sense in the broader market. However, when they cut sedans from their lineup, they replaced the offerings with incredibly mediocre product that was not initially designed for North…