I LIVE for Marlo. I love her messy ass. She is the perfect foil to Kenya, who is basically just a shittier, unfunny Marlo.

I think, without having read the book, that this is an extension of working within patriarchal and oppressive sociocultural regimes instead of working to overthrow them.

No, slutshaming isn’t great but I think there’s a place to seriously examine the actions and agenda of women who capitulate to patriarchal bullshit to get ahead individually.

Hate Bey all you want for being rich and making money. But Bey, Janet, and Rih are not unlike many black women who just trying to thrive in this society. It may not be textbook feminism, but I will never take away from a black woman making her coin in her profession.

I made an account here just so I could reply to you and really, really agree. I find it quite telling her touchstones of ‘radical feminism’ is Firestone or Dworkins and not Patricia Hill Collins, or bell hooks (who has also criticized Beyonce), or Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw. The whole reason the third wave got started…

I agree. I also feel like she criticizes people for distancing themselves from second wave feminism while glossing over the fact that a big reason people do that is because a lot of second wave feminists said a lot of racist (and transphobic) things.

I think “popular black feminists” is much too large a group to accurately characterize them as all being interested in anything (like, I’d consider bell hooks a popular black feminist, and I’d be surprised if you thought she was guilty of wanting to “live in the masters house” and so on). But I think you’re right…

I’m not a Beyonce stan at all. I just find the attitude towards her weird and suspicious, from white women and sometimes from Black women. It doesn’t mean I think she is perfect or beyond criticism.

We can talk about that, but let’s not pretend that suddenly capitalism is an issue when a Black woman is rich and famous as fuck. Let’s not criticize every famous Black woman who says she’s a feminist while praising famous white women for the bare minimum. And let’s not dismiss Beyonce for being sexual while praising…

Agreed. Especially since so many examples of problems she went on to discuss are specific to “white feminism.”

Do you think it’s possible to be a feminist and not devote every action of your life to feminism?

No one is telling white women to shut up! What the hell is wrong with you? We are saying that we SHOULD be INCLUDED in conversations regarding women, and being a black woman comes with challenges that white women sometimes do not acknowledge.

No one should be telling black women to sit down and shut up when it comes diversity, inclusion, and intersectionality. The reason intersectionality is brought up is because black women are almost always left out of conversation about feminism; hence the term “white feminism.” It’s not always about, y’all. We’d like…

Wow... you need to be a yoga instructor with all this reaching you’re doing. Also, if black women are women too, then how can talking about their issues be derailing conversations about feminism or misogyny? Your misogynoir is showing.

I’m glad that women are getting more leading roles, but let’s remember this the next time a prominent white actress cites her womanhood to derail a conversation about whitewashing. You can’t knowingly benefit from your whiteness and call yourself a feminist. Until women of all kind are represented, we’ve still got…

“(America is the metaphor, you see, and some white Americans have realized it’s not as great as they thought.)”

eh. i mean they have for sure crossed over a line of decency many times, but in general, she took a family that had no real talents, a daughter who was possibly going to be exploited by a sex tape and turned that ship around. build a dynasty and made every one of them enough money that they can all live in lala land…

Fashion doesn’t change nearly so drastically from decade to decade any more either. I read an article once that posited that when our way of life started changing so drastically due to technology, we slowed down change in other areas in order to preserve some kind of balance. It was interesting to think about.

(contrast that which was released in the ‘60s with ‘80s pop and the difference feels infinitely greater than stuff that emerged in the late ‘90s and now)

I had forgotten how truly great that Nelly Furtado album (Loose) was. That’s going to be my soundtrack for the next week.