Yes, but one is badass and the other bogged down in Yemen.

“I’m certain any military analyst out there could spot this easily. Is it less that it was “hidden” and more that it just wasn’t advertised but everyone knew it was out there?”

Nah. The IDF released this info a few days ago. It’s been making the rounds of the tank oriented sites long before here.

You also have to empty the dyson and eventually figure out a way to remove all the hair wrapped around the spinny thing. You will also need to clean the Dyson’s filters sooner or later.

And yet LCS didn’t go away when we lost NLOS and certainly it’s no where near the same ASuW mission area capability originally envisioned. The Mk46 is good for Boghammers but not missile armed FACs. My opinion is that the fleet is going to use them more as OHP replacements than as FAC/gunboat destroyers.

Weird, looks like the forum ate a response and we’re just going back and forth anyway. The only thing I will re-address from the lost posts is:

Neither of which would validate your fallacious argument.

The Falklands taught us that this technique works just fine. Radar Pickets and all.

I don’t remember any swarmex of the sort you are referring to “long before” the various contractors were pushing concepts like Sea Slice (a buddy of mine was one of the COs of Sea Slice). The post-Cole small boat threat was focused more on force protection against small terrorist threats. Pre-Cole any thought given to…

Oh, and you and I both know where the OV-22 and F-35 fits in the OMFTS and STOM doctrine.

Look we can quote NDP-1 and specific pubs regarding littoral warfare and intended LCS employment at each other. We can go to the command schools and critique a battle group performance in a FST swarm scenario and at the end of the day the Commodore is going to fight the way he (or I guess she) wants to fight. And…

Yep, bigger than a Griffin, my bad. Should have said a bigger missile like a Maverick or something for reference. Bottom line it’s not a C-802 class missile.

Your problem is I used to do this for a living and while I’m not current (2011ish) I don’t need access to open source intel to do analysis. Development of doctrine and planning systems is what I used to do.

Those aren’t their FACs the US Navy is trying to counter.

The Nasr-1s on the Zolfaghar are NOT C-802s as you’ve been posting about. It’s likely a C-701 clone and on par with a Griffin.

FACs are not $40K. FACs run from around $10M to $100M. The Type 022s are estimated to be about $50M. The Type 021s the Iranians bought probably in the $20-30M range.

Against 14 FACs your 4 LCS escorts are dead meat. 4 x 11 SeaRAM vs 14 x 4 C-802s. And the most advanced ASM system is still Aegis.

The 5”/54 Mk 45 is more than capable of killing 35 knot FACs if they are dumb enough to get within gun range.

If you’re going through the straits there are enough shore batteries that FACs aren’t required. There’s a bunch on Qeshm Island.

Depends on the TTP. Stripping the escorts is a viable option to enable the next wave gets through.