You’re literally “guessing” about how much his campaign promises would have added up to and what was in those bills, bud. Can’t move goalposts you haven’t even erected yet, bud.

He was the most likely federal politician with a D next to his name to vote with the GOP. I’m saying, the letter doesn’t matter, the voting does, and he’s obstructing a Dem president’s signature piece of legislation that is wildly popular with the electorate to the detriment of Dems in the midterms and beyond. It’s a…

Right, which doesn’t include a bunch of his campaign promises, bud.

So what. The only difference that matters is how a senator votes. Having an R next to his name changes nothing.

Well, you must be really bad at math. How much do you think a public option would cost? The most expensive part of the BBB would be the SALT Cap Repeal!

Lol, I don’t agree with any senators. The size of the problem they are purporting to deal with demands far more than $600 billion a year over 10 years, much less $175 billion.

Yes, you’re above the fray. Buddha-like even. Congrats. Expecting him to be a shitheel doesn’t make him being a shitheel any less annoying. It’s this idea that it would be so much worse if he had an R next to his name that has no basis in reality. What would the fundamental difference be?

The point is that the anti-democratic nature of the senate significantly benefits the GOP. I agree the Democrats should plan harder or something.

“Forgive student loan debt from public colleges and universities”

Quick question, has Manchin been moaning about the fact that the “bipartisan infrastructure bill” he supports isn’t “payed for”? Why do you think that is?

So you’re arguing against the hypothetical violence and not the actual claim. Like I said, straw man fan.

Look, I’m no fan of Democrats, and their abandonment of the working class around the time of Reagan was a disaster. But I’m also not some freak that thinks the constitution was bestowed upon us by gods who walked the earth. The senate is deeply undemocratic, as designed.

You sweet summer child. You think Manchin’s calculus is simply “what will get me re-elected”? No, it’s “what can get me re-elected and keep the firehose of cash on”. The answer is “scare-monger about the deficit and taxes to drive down public support of a bill your wealthy donors and your accountant don’t want…

Yeah, SALT cap removal sucks too.

Why are we defending coal baron politicians? Don’t we hate politicians?

You love straw man arguments. Nobody said “If political violence becomes common, things will improve”.

“The current bills do all but that.”

The Senate is gerrymandered by design. 

West Virginians support the 3.5T spending bill. The whole country does. There’s nothing moderate about denying people basic human dignity and there’s nothing left about giving it to them.

In deep red West Virginia, Biden’s $3.5tn spending proposal is immensely popular