according to studies people are more likely to be hurt at home or by someone they know.  so be sure to not be home much or near your relatives/friends

None of these devices “cause” injuries. Crashes cause injuries. Also, it doesn’t seem like the study takes into account exactly how the crashes occurred. Most, I’m guessing involved a driver/car, and I suspect that e-bike riders probably spend more time, proportionally, riding on the street with cars than non e-bike…

Depends on location, I suppose. I live in Davis, self-proclaimed Bike Capitol of the World. We have a LOT of bikes. So we have a lot of bike lanes, bike paths, and a population familiar with bike laws, handling techniques, and so forth.

If Tesla’s were rated at 2 miled per kWh and 100% of LA’s nighttime power generation were coal, you might have a point. The problem is that neither of those things is true.

Model S Performance gets 348 mile range.

*Citation needed

AGREED! This is going to be painful, but humans are like cockroaches, we are survivors.

I guess we better give up then.

The most important metric for a Taycan buyer is range?  Do you hear 911 owners complain about MPG? I think you’re missing the point.

Oh, you’re comparing the end-to-end emissions of the infrastructure supporting EVs, and comparing that to the end-point of IC vehicles? That’s an “apples to ap” comparison.

🙄

They often do build them for efficiency. Take the Model S Long Range, for example. It gets 373 miles per charge out of a 100 kWh battery (basically the same size as the Taycan’s). You don’t get Ludicrous mode with that car. If you want Ludicrous mode you need to move over to the Model S Performance which gets only 326…

coal is clean, right? Dotard said so in his state of the union...

How does that work? How do they drive the emissions up in the county in which they are used? Peaker power plants? Explain.

different username, same drum. “the tesla isn’t as efficient as if everyone on the road drove a prius” guy.

Whatever you do, don’t get him started on the subsidies. His head will explode and he’ll start talking about hybrids and posting pictures of LA’s power plant and...oh...I see it’s already started.

I am talking long term. I don’t know what data you are talking about, but I still stand behind my comment regardless. When you look at what the “traditional” automaker was manufacturing in terms of electric vehicle prior to Tesla becoming mainstream, what do you have? You have the Nissan Leaf and the Volt. Other early…

So fix the power grid then.

I would love to see this data on SoCal. That said, emissions are up in certain areas because the power grid is still fossil based. Fix that and EVs become more efficient.

As was pointed out on the EV Towing Thread the other day, there’s an ugly trade-off between “overall efficiency” and “ability to sustain high power outputs for sustained periods of time”.