We’re not talking about someone being comfortable with submission, we’re talking about people who fucking love being dominated and being submissive to others. I don’t see how patriarchal culture could make a woman love being submissive in the bedroom. How do you connect the dots?

Burn! :D

Whether people act on their sexuality or hide it because of heterosexist norms is irrelevant. All that matters is that they exist. They exist even in the harshest of environments (think Iran, Saudi Arabia, Uganda and the likes of them) where everything is against them. What cultural element could there possibly be…

If only all other deities were as generous :D

So how does it work then? Jane Doe lives in a patriarchal society where she is generally taught to be submissive and generally discouraged from leadership roles, and therefore Jane Doe grows up to be *really* turned on by being dominated in the bedroom? Where does one even begin to connect the dots?

Again, I could be wrong here, but looking at how much heterosexist norms affect sexuality (not one bit), is it that far of a reach to say that the women who are submissive might be so because it’s innate to them, and not because they’ve been taught to be submissive by patriarchal norms?

To say that a woman who likes to be submissive in the bedroom (and the bedroom only) is brainwashed by the patriarchy is absolutely ridiculous. Are straight people brainwashed by heterosexist norms, or is the fact that they’re straight completely unrelated to said norms?

It is shameful to see how little some people think of women and their agency. Some prudish feminists disagree with it, therefore it *must* be caused by the patriarchy.

He’s a sneaky, devious, brilliant mastermind, and he’s not hard to look at either.

I agree with your comment, but sexuality is a deeper aspect of ourselves. I know that you didn’t say it, but a lot of people here think that submissive women are submissive because they were brainwashed by patriarchal norms, and I find that belief absurd and dismissive of women’s agency.

You may think I am a troll, so be it. But I think that by arguing that submissive women are affected by the patriarchy, you’re completely negating their agency. We’re not talking about women that are subservient to their partners 24/7, we’re talking about women who are submissive sexually. There is a world of…

Of course, this is my opinion and I may be wrong, so take it with a grain of salt, but I think that only the finer* details of one’s kinks are shaped by external factors. For example, if you’re a person with submissive tastes, external factors might determine if you’re more specifically into bondage, spanking,…

I just don’t think that patriarchal norms (which is the external factor everyone here is talking about) affects the meat and bones of a person’s sexual tastes in regards to dominance and submission (or specifically, rape fantasies). To say that the women who have such fantasies have them because they’ve been…

The depravity of the human mind knows no limits and I am sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone out there has committed an act so atrocious that even you would want them dead. That said, I’d rather not think of such acts, so the conversation ends here.

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If you like the way that shaven legs feel*, that has nothing to do with the patriarchy. If you shave your legs because you feel like you have to shave your legs, lest you be deemed undesirable - that would be the patriarchy influencing you. And I think that such an analogy doesn’t really translate very well into…

If it is, I haven’t seen it, but it definitely seems like something you would only ever see on a fictional TV show.

Not necessarily born that way, but those tastes are aspects and extensions of your personality, and they can’t be altered by external factors any more than your personality can.

Do you believe that patriarchal norms shape your personality? Because I see a person’s tastes in regards to dominance and submission as a part of who they are. I don’t believe in the narrative of “I am a woman and I am taught by patriarchal society to be submissive, and therefore I am submissive in the bedroom”. I…

Yet people still believe it! The Flying Spaghetti Monster seems more believable.