"A guy who runs super fast? No problem! But controlling the weather? That's shit. When do we get to the real villains, like the guy who looks like a penguin, or the woman who can control plants, or the evil computer from space?"

I guess you're right, but I'd put money down now that he's the one that killed Barry's mom. Season finale is gonna be a speedster duel.

Like Carlos said, once this Barry gets a little more confidence he's basically going to be that Wally anyways.

Ollie is still alive at the end of season 2.

One thing I was caught off guard by was the several turns into melodrama, specifically around all the serious scenes when Barry reflected on his mom's death. Given I went in expecting a much lighter show this was surprising, but that super open, emotional scene between Barry and his dad in the prison really really got…

"I'm so proud of you son, let's go get some ice cream and have a November sweeps crossover."

"Why would a god rob banks?"

Yeah, he's clearly an EVIL Flash from the future. This show, you guys.

The Green Arrow cameos in the pilot, and it's a little awkward if you haven't seen the show, but that scene can be easily forgotten. Rest of the pilot is self-contained and works fine. Now, a major character from Arrow showing up in a later episode, that I don't know how they're going to make it newbie friendly.

Given the state of the West family, if Wally's on this show, he ain't gonna be a redhead.

Considering how every villain from the first eight episodes we have info on is a known supervillain from the comics, I think they're fine.

I have tons of thoughts about this show, but prime among them is this: the score is AMAZING. It captures the overdramatic, positive, heroic tone perfectly.

Enjoying a bad show is different. I very much enjoy this bad show. I'm talking about watching something you HATE, about the emotional response generated rather than quality.

There's tons of reasons why it doesn't work from a narrative perspective, and you hit a very big one. I'm more talking about what it means culturally that we can a plot about an ex lesbian romance on a broadcast network primetime, heavily advertised show, and the fact that its gay is incidental, barely worth…

Though she's on ABC, I want to add Viola Davis to this conversation. Her dialog is always over the top and ridiculous, and she always sells the hell out of it.

It had a great range of flavor.

This is honestly the kind of post I was fishing for, thank you. I think I get it a little better.

Well it's Friday now, and she has the weekends off, so…Monday, right?

Not to mention his off the charts chemistry with Derek Waters.

Poor Irving. You could feel the fear coming off of him when Ichabod revealed that his kind, friendly lawyer who vowed to be the one who would clear his name and reunite him with his family was actually a super demon. Guy can't win.