You know, I feel bad for Debra Messing. I’m sure she’s sincere.

Let’s speculate: Depp was doing well with his sobriety during most of his 14-year relationship with Paradis, in turn, it was also the height of his earning power and fame. The last couple years of his relationship with Paradis he slipped, went back on the bottle, cheated with Heard and married her - out of the blue.…

Guess he meant the kind of little lost boy capable of repeatedly overpowering and injuring a grown woman. You know, that kind!

More like petulant, narcissistic man-child (at best). I swear, he wears all those ratty scarves and a hundred necklaces and rings and gross hats to detract from the fact that he’s a middle aged man. But we know.

“A little lost boy”?!?

It won’t change it and that’s the point. Sex workers want their work decriminalized ostensibly for their own safety and to mitigate some of the inherent problems with their industry but it’s been shown that allowing sex work doesn’t seem to do anything to protect the vast majority of workers.

Right, but that doesn’t bear at all on my primary point, which is that the cultural view we take toward sex work doesn’t *only* affect sex workers, but affects the entire way we view sex, and so long as women are perceived as the sex class, the entire way we view women. That’s the stance Carter is being mocked for,…

Sex work isn’t harmless. The commodification of our bodies doesn’t come without personal and social ramifications. Only sociopaths can separate feelings and thoughts from the body. That separation isn’t real, it’s a belief based on denial of the nature of existence. Total isolation of this circumstance from effect…

People do understand that. The issue is that it seems like a near impossible reality to separate legal sex work from all the seedy crime that follows it.

I completely agree. I just can’t say I’m a feminist and not take issue with the commodification of women’s bodies. Legalization doesn’t magically fix everything. This is one issue I part ways with many people on this site. We’d all like to picture empowered women going into sex with as a great choice- that could be…

This is a very complicated issue that won’t be fixed just by legalizing it. I actually agree with him that legal prostitution commodifies women’s bodies (and to a smaller extent, men’s bodies) and that’s not ok with this feminist.

“His lane” is human rights. I’d say this issue falls under that.

Right? This is the worst sort of purity policing that alienates similarly minded people and gives foder to reactionaries to make feminism into a bad word.

It seems like all arguments in defense of sex work use the logic of labor — that it’s a perfect right to perform work in exchange for money, and that sex shouldn’t be treated any differently. The thing is, we don’t really believe that, and the difference shows up viscerally when we talk about children. If you pay your…

Yeah, honestly he is saying a lot of things that are true and things that clearly come from compassion. It’s a complex issue without a perfect solution right now and I appreciate anyone who is trying to understand it without being completely sexist. I do think he is probably wrong about a lot, but wrong in a less bad…

Agree. I feel like calling Carter’s editorial “bad” and “awful” is a gross simplification of a complex issue. While I don’t necessarily agree with Jimmy, there are a fair amount of feminists and organizations that do.

I think for a lot of people this is too complex a topic to easily pigeonhole all of our thoughts and emotions about it.

I’ll admit that I agree with parts of what he’s saying. I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as legalization = great, everything’s fine now. I’m definitely not down with sex workers being punished in any way. It also really doesn’t sit well with me that legalizing sex work perpetuates the idea that women’s bodies are…

And he’s not wrong about the power imbalance aspect that is present in some cases. Overall, I think his intentions with this are good, but he just needs to stay in his lane this time.

I don’t think we should insult people for carefully thought out opinion pieces that slightly differ from our own opinions. This is a complex issue.