If you look at my original comment it is focused on criminal discipline, including how universities handle other criminal violations - such as rape. I certainly could have written it clearer, but I don’t mention the code of conduct or policy violations anywhere in my original comment. I thought I was clear that I was…

My entire comment was focused on the criminal aspect. But, you are correct that I should have used a word other than “discipline” there.

A good point. I just don’t think the police officer was necessarily wrong by not writing this up as a crime.

It’s good for people. Gives them a target to vent their frustration, and sometimes hatred on. People legitimately are replying to me calling me a racist because I don’t think the police officer was wrong by not writing this up as a crime.

It’s cool. I did not do a very good job in my original comment of explaining that I was talking about the criminal aspect as opposed to some policy violation. You would think I would have learned how to write clearly by now, but I wrote it in a hurry and did a poor job.

Yeah, I don’t disagree with your analogy. I was making a point about the fact that people were upset that the officer specifically did not do anything.

Yes. That’s the point I was trying to make. People were upset that the officer did not do anything, and I was trying to point out that universities should not apply different criminal definitions or standards than are applies elsewhere.

Nope. My comment was not aimed at the code of conduct. It was aimed at criminal charges and the fact that people are upset that the officer did not do anything. The code of conduct issue is separate and I am not advocating in any way that this isn’t a policy violation.

Nicely said.

I never said it did. I said that it protected this sort of speech from being criminalized. Which it does, unfortunately.

Agreed. I was aiming my comments more at the criminal issue.

Lol. I wish I was secretly a teenager. And my point about the constitution was to note that I understand the difference in applying the constitutional right to free speech to a criminal matter vs. a school policy matter (where it would be inapplicable). But you can keep taking my comments how you want. Oh, to be 18…

Yes, it actually is protected free speech. There are several cases on the standard, and unless the language actually incites violence, it is protected. Obviously that only applies to criminal charges, and would not protect you from being kicked out for a policy violation, for example. But the bar for what constitutes…

I did. I just should have made it clearer that my remarks were aimed at that and not policy violations. I thought I did when I mentioned how criminal rape is handled, as well, but I did a poor job explaining.

Yeah. I should have made it clearer that I was talking about criminal discipline - not policy violations.

I was not talking about the university’s actions regarding policy violations. I was purely speaking to the idea of criminal repercussions.

Yes. Exactly. My point was aimed at the criminal element.

I thought campus security simply acted as a police officer. I also don’t think there is enough information to suggest that the offenders were not there when the police officer got there. Or that he needed to find them in any way. I assumed they were still there. In any case, I guess I did not see this as a violent…

Yeah, I’m not condoning the lecture. But I also did not see anything to indicate that it was ongoing and that he needed to break it up. But if so, yes, he has a duty to protect the peace.

I understand. My comment was focused on the criminal element. I was focusing on the fact that they were upset that the officer did not do anything about it. But I understand that there could be a code of conduct violation here.