Exactly. Same here. People are giving me shit for putting any blame on her friends, but they do not seem like they cared at all about her. I had this exact situation happen in college and several of us would go after the drunk person who left without a coat. Always.

That’s a good point. A sweater certainly would not have been enough to keep her warm and people shed clothes frequently at the end stages of hypothermia.

It’s weird that she was even wearing shorts and a tanktop. Did she maybe live at the house where the party was?

Yep. I went to house parties all the time in college in below zero temperature. And friends would leave without coats angrily. And me and my friends always went after them. Always. And my friends were still idiots for doing it. They just didn’t die.

The friends don’t seem like they even cared to check on her. Everyone assumed that she had been picked up. That’s weird. Maybe they should feel terrible. And, to be honest, I have had this exact thing happen to me several times. I have had drunk friends storm out of parties in college when it was below zero out…

Do you live in an area that has extremely cold winters? I realize the blame may seem odd to you, but you have to treat the cold similar as you would your friend driving drunk. If you wouldn’t let your friend drive, then you should absolutely not let them outside without a coat, gloves, and a hat on. It’s just a rule…

Yeah, the way it is written, it sounds like they realized she left but thought she had gotten picked up by someone. So, maybe not, but it is kind of unclear I guess.

Which is a tragedy as well. I mean, it’s the same stories you hear about people driving drunk. Everybody was too drunk to realize how drunk the driver was, and then someone ends up dead.

Yeah, but the temperature did not change dramatically from when she was sober to when she was drunk. It’s not like it suddenly got really cold outside when she was drinking. She knew, drunk or sober, that you should not go outside in cold weather without a coat. Hell, she lived there long enough to know that.

As someone who lives in an area with similar winter temperatures, I truly don’t understand why her friends did not go after her. You never let your friend go outside in cold weather drunk if they are not bundled up. People die all the time in temperatures like that. I’m probably being too harsh on them, but you would…

Yep. Moved across the country. First, if you have things that are inexpensive and you don’t need them, be willing to give them to a thrift store. This includes dishes, furniture, clothes you haven’t worn for three years, etc. It is easier to buy some things, like gently used dishes, on the other side than to haul them…

I wouldn’t want an older man as the father of my children. I wouldn’t want to be the 25 year old mother taking care of kids with a 50 year old. Guess who is going to be stuck doing the majority of the work in that scenario? At some point, you should just assume that you have given up your chance to have children…

I have never had this experience. But I would never judge a woman who has. I would never, for example, think, “oh my gosh I would never freeze when confronted with that.” I honestly don’t know what I would do. I respect the opinions of those who have experienced it and can also respect the confusion surrounding a…

Right. But somebody think of the kids!

Yeah, I would feel worse for her if it didn’t look like she purposefully bumped him with her hip pads. There was plenty of room for her to move around him, and she ran right into him. And she did not apologize, which is what I typically do after running into someone. So, I think there is equal rudeness on both sides…

Well, to be fair part of her get up consisted of hip pads - which is the part that hit him. So “what” is a fair statement.

Interesting. Regarding “complaints,” is that the decision of the victim to file or not file a complaint? I mean, is it possibly just that people who reported rape later decided not to file a complaint for all the reasons victims choose not to go through a really stressful process. I also wonder if after a complaint is…

I see. And if you have evidence that the administration has been awful, then I would not doubt it. I don’t think I have ever heard anything good about any college administration regarding how they handle rape allegations.

Exactly. If you’re going to make up a name, make up something believable.

Umm...ok. But the story is false. It has been established pretty concretely that Jackie made the whole thing up, and ruined a lot of reputations in the process. She also made it a lot harder for true rape victims to be believed. I find it fascinating that people are turning their anger towards the real victims here -…