I agree it seems more akin to Ansari than Weinstein. 

Well, no, actually one of them was a client so she did sign pay checks. But that’s immaterial.

I said it creeps me out. It is creepy. It is really weird.

It is definitely on philosophy students. I agree. 

Nope. I might be an idiot or missing something, but not a troll. I actually haven’t read anything that talks about 10 years of grooming. What actions made up that grooming? It may be in some reporting that you’ve read and I haven’t. I’m not an Asia Argento fan. I don’t have an investment in this case. I just have not…

No it doesn’t, actually. I just reread it. It says he was below the age of consent, which I acknowledge being wrong on above - I didn’t notice this took place in California and that is my bad.

I think you’ve characterized Peterson pretty accurately. He’s not D’Souza bad. He’s a very talented psychology lecturer and is more informed on intellectual history. But Peterson is still making the sort of mistakes you’re describing.

Of course it isn’t. But there is nothing in that story that suggests he didn’t express consent, either. I was wrong in not noticing this is a California case, which sets the statutory age of consent at 18 - that’s my bad. But if this happened in most other places, the relevant question would be whether he consented or…

I missed the California bit - you’re right and I’m wrong, it’s illegal.

Where did it say he didn’t consent? The poster above’s (correct) point is that consent is not possible under the age of 18 in California except in specific circumstances. But nothing in the article I saw suggests he expressed any non-consent, or any hesitancy even. So we don’t know those details and we don’t know if…

No disagreement from me on that. I just mean that all this hand-wringing about (in Canada, where I’m from) things like Jordan Peterson is all a bit weird when many of my friends protesting him literally study a Nazi. A man who was a very proud Nazi. A man who after it became literally impossible to pretend you didn’t…

Are you asking what age do I think is moral? What age do I think is gross? Or what age do I think should cause someone to lose their career or face criminal liability?

If you mean the last of those, I think 16 sounds fine. I don’t think a 17 year old should be assumed to be traumatized by sex with an older person. I…

Totally missed that this was in California. That’s my bad.

Yes. He also refused to surrender his Nazi Party membership AFTER the war. We live in an era where people call for someone to be fired for saying that girls may have different brains than boys, and where students call for Shakespeare not to be part of the curriculum because he’s white..........but a literal NAZI - a…

You say that like Duke doesn’t teach Heidegger. Nazis have been well received in philosophy departments since the war. 

And you know what? In the interest of full disclosure - I had sex with older women when I was 19/20. It was awesome. They were cool women and they taught me some stuff about life and how to be a better partner in bed. It was a great life experience and it is severely weirding me out to learn that progressives think…

I don’t understand. Where’s the allegation of wrongdoing? She kissed him. She took his pants off. She gave him a blowjob. She had sex with him. Those are all words that can describe the last time I had sex with my fiancee - which part of this is an assault? Is it just because she’s older? If that’s the reason - if…

Wait a second. Are we all going to start finding it a problem that Heidegger was a nazi? Because he’s one of the most widely studied and taught philosophers in modern Western universities. He has influenced generations of leftist philosophers and is generally not in vogue with right-leaning thinkers (which actually…

Wow. This surprises me. I think Jez is often a hypocritical plac, but I really thought you guys would come to the obviously correct conclusion on this one. No such luck.

No. People who study Chinese history know, particularly pre-Tang history. Anyway, only point I’m trying to make here is that if this dynamic were transplanted to Europe, Jezebel would be on the side of “how can this horrible act of colonialism and cultural theft be permitted???” instead of “this is muy progressive”.