I half agree with you, but we also have to remember that depending on where you live, the police aren’t necessarily going to be that helpful. Some departments handle rapes really well, others will write it off as a he-said, she-said and not investigate. It’s getting better, sure, but this isn’t just about victims not…

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Yeah. It’s a shame they’re the most visible organization championing causes like this and, say, putting an end to factory farming, as those are both very worthy causes that would probably have more momentum if PETA wasn’t actively campaigning to alienate reasonable people with their other stunts.

It’s also a Miranda Lambert song: Kerosene.

I see what you’re saying. I don’t want to dismiss the fact that some women feel pressure to be one of the dudes, but I think in Schumer’s case she’s just raunchy. And since she’s promoting a movie she has to talk a lot, and the raunchy stuff is more likely to get repeated then the mundane.

Maybe she’s just raunchy?

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Well, a no is always a no. But, if your kink is to have someone perform a sex act on you while you’re asleep, then it’s impossible to give consent at the moment the sex act is commissioned. The only way to accomplish this then, is to come to an explicit understanding with your partner in the moment you could give…

I’m not sure why I’m responding, because I suspect you’re not really interested in having a debate on this, but, as I’m sure you know, “innocent until proven guilty” is a legal standard, not an absolute mandate. To say that people can’t make their own judgements about other people and express those opinions is also…

Not necessarily. If you tell someone before you’ve taken the drug, “I consent to sex with you while I’m on this” that would still be consent. And I think that’s the kind of scenario he’s referring to, not extracting a ‘yes’ from someone who’s incapacitated, which, yeah, that’s rape.

And it sounds like he wasn’t so much equating comic-con with genocide as reaching for another situation where thousands of people might be screaming, so the comparison was incredibly narrow. Granted, he did forget any sporting event in the class of things where thousands of people might be screaming, which seems more…

Oh, I completely agree that Amandla’s comments are 100% appropriate, and it’s lovely that her generation has someone so young who’s able to speak to complex issues with such clarity — it’s more the tenor of comments here that I take issue with, since we are still talking about kids.

To be honest, I think when Jayden’s first tweets came out I chuckled along with everyone (though for some reason I was less comfortable with stuff directed at Willow, not sure why), and that was wrong and mean of me. He’s a kid trying to figure things out. I read Jon Ronson’s book about public shaming a few months ago…

I think you’re right. I note elsewhere that while it feel like low hanging fruit for the Jezebel commentariat to revel in a dumb/problematic thing a teenager did, it’s not at all for Amandla to challenge someone in her peer group. And I don’t think pointing out that there’s something unsavory about the revelry of…

I don’t think the topic’s off-limits, but there’s difference between noting problematic attitudes a child might be developing vis a vis her relationships and partners and sexually shaming her. The comment I was referring to tried to do the former but accomplished the later, which I don’t think will lead to any…

I haven’t seen anything straight up abusive, but many things have been said in this thread that are a little fucked up for adults (I’m assuming people who comment on Jezebel are adults) to direct at children including that she doesn’t care about black people beyond fucking black men (I don’t know her dating history…

I think it’s possible to agree with everything you just said vis a vis the plainly racist ways drug laws are enforced, and to be disgusted by the suffering and pervasive inequality brought on by America’s centuries long system of explicit (now implicit) white supremacy, while also being troubled by the way adults…

All the other parents are gonna be so pissed when her daughter tells their kids what the going rate for the tooth fairy is.

Yeah, that’s another thorny issue here. To talk about appropriation people need to be called out, and it completely makes sense to me that Amandla would call her out, because they’re about the same age, so, in that context, I don’t think Amandla’s just going after the low hanging fruit here, but it seems Jezebel might…

I didn’t mean to imply that she’s getting lynched, I doubt she’ll see much in the way of criticism, but then I don’t really know. I just think that as an adult who participated in this story to the extent that I clicked on it, to simply understand Amandla’s criticism and be sensitive to it shouldn’t give me a pass…