I'm suggesting that the fact that the balls were underinflated is just that, a fact. It is not evidence of anything beyond their state at the time they were measured. That state of inflation in and of itself is evidence of nothing. The argument some of you are trying to make is like saying that I'm guilty of robbing a…

No. You've very much formed and expressed an opinion; that being that the fact that the balls being underinflated in and of itself is evidence that the Patriots tampered with the footballs. You've already know the Patriots are guilty, despite the facts that 1) we don't actually know by much they were under pressure by…

It is not evidence. You can keep saying over and over that it is evidence, but doing that doesn't change the meaning of the word. You have formed an opinion based on the facts that have been presented, added in your personal prejudices. But let's cut the bullshit; what you are really saying is that the balls being…

Who gives a shit, it's a fucking game of football. Your insistence on responding to everyone in this thread about what constitutes 'evidence' is borderline sociopathic...

"The Colts balls didn't lose any pressure the whole game."

That's. Not. Evidence.

therealdoningson: "Sure dude. The team's reputation has been torn to shred the last week without one piece of evidence. come try and get the crown."

fact noun \ˈfakt\: Something that truly exists or happens : Something that has actual existence : A true piece of information. Synonyms actuality, factuality, materiality, reality, actuality, case, materiality. 11 of 12 of the New England Patriots footballs were under the NFL minimum pressure when measured during…

No it's not if you throw the word intentionally in there. Incompetence is not intentional and is completely reasonable given the very limited facts we have. We have evidence the balls were below the league mandated minimum PSI. We have no evidence as to the cause.

There is no evidence. As far as the info released the balls could have been 8.5 PSI before the game and the Pats pumped em up to 10.5. No one has said anything remotely reliable on the status of the balls when they were checked by officials before the game. Therefore there is actually no evidence of tampering.

I think you're focusing on the wrong half of the legal definition of hearsay. (Are we really arguing about this, lol?) Everything in legal terms is about presenting evidence or proving something. What distinguishes hearsay from other terms in a legal dictionary is that it refers to something someone heard someone else…

We have zero concrete information. How much were they deflated by? How long had they been indoors when they were measured at halftime? Were they measured before the game? Do we have those numbers? We don't know any of this shit. If this is your idea of evidence, I hope to God you never end up on a jury.

Yeah, totally agree. I watched an old Mayne Event ESPN posted yesterday showing how equipment nerds prepped Favre's balls. There about 8 of them with their own sanding device to give the ball a good rub down, then baby Aaron Rodgers tested each of about 80 out to make sure they were good for Favre. There's just an…

Well, I think you forgot what you wrote. Brady said he prefers a PSI at the low end of what the NFL allows. That is a fact.

The key distinction here is that we lack evidence of *intent*, independently of the obvious evidence that the balls in question were in fact under-inflated (although, until we see the actual reports, we don't even definitively know the exact degree of PSI that the balls were under-inflated, which could be important.)

And what "laws" were violated? What laws did the Patriots reference during Belichick's presser? I must have missed that. I just saw Belichick sticking up is middle finger to all you dipshits.

Bruh, what we're saying is that it is evidence, but it is totally worthless on its own. The broken window could come from a crime, or from little Timmy's baseball or a drunk guy moving his couch. Eat a Slim Jim or something dude, you're hangry.

I live south of Foxborough. I ride my bike to work. I believe in climate change.

Belichick was not challenging scientists on their research, so I don't know what you're referencing. I wasn't aware that Wilson had representatives in Foxborough before the game checking the balls. Or that they had reps on hand when the Pats were testing their process. Did Chris Mortenson report that? Or was is Jay…

But maybe, at a time when every member of the media is already concluding that the Patriots did break the rules, they should prevent any leaks from the investigation to the media? Do they have any responsibility there?