Firstly, I’m not an anti-AAer. As I said in my OP, I know people for whom AA has worked. But even they selectively ignore certain parts of the dogma. I know that there are some people who have to practice complete abstinence. In fact, even Sinclair says that there are some alcoholics (maybe 10% is his estimate) that…

You seem to just be a poor reader who ignored the point of my original post, which was that the US is behind the times and should get with it. And by the way, the medication that they prescribe in Finland is available for prescription in the US if you ask for it, and is covered by insurance. You obviously didn’t read…

LOL. I was like, “Nah.”

Yeah, being a good guy is stepping up and stopping a rape, not “I totally could have raped her, but I didn’t.”

I remember going to a frat party years ago and getting black out drunk. A random frat guy held my hair while I threw up and took me to my friends afterwards. I could have easily been this woman if there was a guy like Turner around. Fuck him and his insistance that this was because of alcohol.

Actually a lot of things, including drugs to break the physical dependency on alcohol, practicing moderate drinking, and more, but the AA has been so succesful selling their narrative of alcoholics being powerless and sobriety is all or nothing that people believe that alcoholism is an incurable disease, and the only…

I don’t understand what you’re referring to. What costs $5,000? The drug? It doesn’t. Finland’s treatment programs? They cost around $2,500. Which is nothing, compared to what treatment costs in the US.

In vino veritas, beeyotch. The booze doesn’t CAUSE the behavior. It removes the filters and inhibitions that normally PREVENT the behavior. A guy who inherently doesn’t rape won’t suddenly turn into a rapist after a couple of beers.

I’d like to take this moment to brag that the most destructive alcohol-inspired thing done by my heavy drinking circle of friends in college was the time two guys wandered into the SAE house after a football game and stole the house composite photo.

And of course these Swedish heroes are, as I expected, impossibly handsome!

Dear Leslie,

I’m so glad she is able to use these guys to remind her of the good in the world - at a time when she was defined by others as what one man had done to her, she was precious enough as a human being for someone to take the risk of saving her (being a very gun orientated country I would class stopping a crime in action…

I’ve been reading about this case all week, being angry and worked up about it, like almost everybody else here, about that scum Turner, the scum’s father, the judge and everybody who wrote glowing reports about him or try to explain away what he did with ‘college drinking culture’ or whatever.

I find it comforting to keep in mind that being excellent to each other (Carlin’s famous wisdom from Bill and Ted) is more natural than being a shitty misanthrope, because that’s learned behavior. No one is born a racist, or a sexist, people are molded that way.

I’d like to think of these three as a team, rather than “two guys who saved a girl”. They all represent the best of humanity. Thanks to all of you for showing me, people can look out for each other and for reminding me to every day.

These are good men

Brock hasn't been able to eat lutefisk or listen to ABBA since.

And how proud are their parents? Practically bursting with it I imagine. I know I would be.

Now these are real, actual honorable men. What they did was nothing short of amazing and worthy of massive respect.

They are heroes in the truest sense. They saw something and did something and proved that every action has the potential to change lives.