I haven’t moved any goal posts. It’s my comment you’re objecting to and my comment is that this fails the FMEA. I have simply elaborated further why I rate it as such. Why I give it such scoring.

“Autopilot” can brake _or_ change lanes. This means the motorist may wait too long to brake assuming that it chosen to change lanes. But sometimes it will do neither. That’s the problem. Adaptive cruise control doesn’t have that choice. If it’s not braking, it’s not going to do anything.

Why should we believe TM’s marketing materials that their system is safer? Even if we do, so what?

The problem isn’t that he doesn’t know, the problem is that the system sometimes doesn’t work. The motorist is encouraged to wait and see if the car will brake or change lanes and then by the time it doesn’t it’s too late for him to act and that’s if everything goes per design.

I don’t believe building better idiots makes us safer.

No I am not. And I didn’t argue it was. But some things are so obvious that they’ll score badly and this is one of them.

We’re talking a perfect bad score with TM. That’s show stopping go back to the design board.

Adaptive cruise control is something different than TM’s autopilot.

My point is if TM’s excuse is ‘follow the manual’ for this then they are showing gross inexperience with the real world.

Recognition by society and being a natural right are mutually exclusive. There are many natural things (especially sexual behaviors) that societies refuses to recognize. That doesn’t make them any less natural. Are you going to also argue that say homosexuality isn’t natural because a society refuses to recognize it?…

It’s in the manual to check tire pressures. How did that work out for Ford?

It’s not so much a buyer beware industry for the established automakers, just for Musk. The established automakers have to watch every detail or they get skewered in the press. Hence why you won’t see a system like TM’s “autopilot” with these limitations from any of them. At least until TM pays the legal bills and…

But here’s the problem, it’s not assisted sometimes and people adapt to what is expected of them. Even if someone is paying attention he may sit there and wait for the system to kick in and do something. By the time he reacts to the fact that this is one of those sometimes it’s too late to take action. If he’s really…

I don’t see how put it in the manual absolves them here. They put in the manual that sometimes it doesn’t work. Ok great. Now a person has another thing to pay attention to and predict (when it won’t work) for something designed to lower his cognitive load while driving. Makes no sense. 

No. People are hurt in industrial accidents through their own stupidity but that’s not justification to have an operator hold a work piece in such a way he risks getting his hand crushed if his attention lapses at a certain moment of the process.

You’re a bully evil turtle face. Plain and simple. You try to socially bully people into your point of view. WRT a mental institution you should try one and see if you can figure out why you behave the way you do. 

Why? Severity 10, Probability 10, detectability 10. FMEA score = 1000. That’s why it’s a show stopper. It’s like designing a 100 ton press where the operator has to hold the workpiece as the press comes down. If he pays attention everything will be fine. But it’s a certainty one day someone won’t and will end up with…

My mentality? You don’t know what my mentality is because I haven’t told you what it is. I’ve told you how products are to be designed. If this was GM they would be skewered for doing something like this. This is basic engineering design procedure that is being skipped or ignored.

GM once made an innovative (for the US consumer market) car called the Corvair. What happened when it turned out GM was a little slow on the latest suspension design for rear engined cars and because it didn’t handle like everything else? Did GM get to call their customers morons or did some lawyer make an entire…

This isn’t the question of a “perfect” product. It’s a product that fails a basic FMEA. It is horrifically bad if it cannot detect a stopped vehicle on an expressway that it is on a collision course with. I have had much lesser things shot down to require modification for much much less.

“Autopilot also has a lower…