The details you keep referring to in backing your arguments would be in the ins and outs, though. You led off showing a graph of PC requirements, as if all the people buying this for console should be expected to know those requirements. And then when pushed back on that, you moved to talking about the release…

You think most console users knew when the game was announced, and when it was initially announced for consoles? You you think the average PS4 and Xbox One gamer has had these dates tracked in their heads all of this time?

Oh! Didn’t realize that the PS4/Xbone development was announced so late... thanks! Still, plenty of time to get it right, and presumably more time with a PS4 devkit than a PS5 (I’m not that well informed on what console development process looks like, but this was always going to realistically be a console release).…

We know this game has been open about its focus on high-end PC for years.

If you say that the game is performing great on every platform, it should actually play great on every platform. Case closed.

It’s reasonable to expect that a game which you were encouraged to pre-order on PS4, which has been in development for PS4 for about 8 years, and which the publisher delivered statements would look good on PS4, and which the launch was delayed in final months specifically to polish for PS4, would look decent and run…

They literally were lying to people up until it released. That is why people deserve refunds.
And its not a matter of looks. Yes the PS4/XB1 are running at lower resolutions, but even at that, they are hitting 15fps at some spots. 15 fps is barely above the 12fps minimum for old hand drawn animations. Thats a game…

It appears that CD Projekt Red disagrees with your assessment on whom should get a refund. They feel the experience on base consoles is poor enough that people deserve a refund if they so choose.

You answered it: people who are not planning to upgrade their PS4/XBox

But, the issue here is still that this wasn’t front and center for the majority of console gamers. Most of us here know that the ‘bullshots’ and screen time is on high-end PC’s running in a super-controlled environment.  But, we are a generally educated hobbyist audience.

“Well, while talking with Metro UK, CD Projekt Red level designer Max Pears assured the publication that the game will look as good on a PS4 as it did on the £2,000+ PC running the demo build. “It’s still going to look as good as that,” said Pears referring to the PC version of Cyberpunk.” 

That’s always been my problem with PC gaming in general. The box says “PC Game” but if I buy the game, and you buy the game, even though we both have “PCs” and both bought the same game, only one of us is going to have an experience even remotely similar to what was advertised. It’s why I generally prefer to play on…

That’s why the saying “Never Pre-Order” should be applied. They should show at least some lenghty last gen gameplay, but they know it will hurt the sales. In my opinion, that’s a business decision consciously taken by CD Projekt RED.

But I am also okay waiting.

Good to know. Thanks. It’s funny - I’d been waiting for years for this game. This whole pandemic, I’d been really depressed. Like everyone, I suppose. And one of the hopeful lights for me was this game. Knowing that it was coming out. It kept me alive. But then hearing about the delay, and about how last-gen consoles…

That term is such a massive red flag. I haven’t yet seen a comment containing it that was worth reading. It just seems to represent a fundamental dearth of reason and empathy.

Yep, it’s why I said goodbye to IGN several years ago. I still follow my favorite people (Greg Miller, Brian, Altano, Naomi Kyle, etc.) on Twitter but I can’t bring myself to actually go to the site because the comment section makes me lose all hope in humanity.

Not black, but also a game developer. It’s completely true. Completely toxic attitudes and culture. I once tried to bring notice to the issues years back with regards to edgelord language being used in work chats. Ended up ostracized and eventually let go.
Everyplace else has been better since, but only marginally. I…

Thank you for writing this Ash. I’m a Black game developer who has been in AAA for a long time, and I can definitively say that this problem will not be fixed by game companies because they have all of the same issues with White supremacy that their communities have.

Because there are almost zero negative repercussions for threatening people over the internet.