oh please. And no, it's not make up and puberty. Someone put up profile stills from the show. It's obviously surgery.

Again, puberty does it make your lips grow. And at 17, shouldn't she be done with puberty anyway?

Getting plastic surgery to make yourself feel more beautiful at age SIXTEEN strikes me as a spectacularly unhealthy thing to do that is only going to further the idea that physical beauty is the only value you have as a woman. I don't think unnecessary surgery is something a parent should ALLOW their child to get.

bitch been injected more than trainspotting. I find this entire family so repugnant. I cant wait till the aftereffects of all this collagen starts showing- I hope her lips fall off and they have to transplant her anus to her face

Except that if she drew her lips on as big as they are now they'd be almost up to her nose. So yes, maybe part makeup, but there's something as going on here.

Who is saying she shouldnt go for it? It's just dumb to do this as a celebrity and think no one will notice ala Ashlee Simpson

Yeah, but you can draw over plumped lips, too. My original point still stands.

Those pictures look like they are completely different people. Or, one person and one Bratz doll.

"I'm so bored with everyone calling me out on my bullshit and lies WAAAAAHHHHHH!"

I agree. How infuriating must it be for girls who see her "before pictures," draw weird clown lips around their real lips, and then they still don't look like that?! We have eyes man, and photographs from years prior, why try to lie?

So for those of you who believe it's the old "draw outside of your natural lipline" trick, I have an orange bridge I'd like to sell you.

I wish celebrities would just say, "my body, my business" and leave it at that. I think most people would respect that, draw their own personal conclusions, and call it a day.

LOL, no, Kim.

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I can see why they'd want to deny it. It doesn't look good to let your underage daughter have cosmetic procedures. But if they wanted to be able to deny it, why make it so bloody obvious?

I got Lipo a while ago and I look pretty much the same, just a little flatter. I'm pretty thin so the doc wouldn't take out much. Still, I don't mind sharing this info with friends. It's kind of cruel to lie about it honestly.

Nobody's lips triple in size due to puberty

I agree, because it gives younger (and I guess adult) women the idea that they can (and should) attain this look through spending hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars over their lifetime on a makeup industry that cannot keep up with plastic surgery. Might as well accept that your lips won't ever look like this then…

Faces change to a degree with puberty, sure, but lips... don't usually change. Not like that, anyway.